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nuckles87 said:
KHlover said:
VGKing said:
Guns aren't the problem. Just look at marijuana. Just because that is illegal, it doesn't mean people can't get their hands on it. Banning guns would mean only criminals would have access to guns...that is bad.

What we need is better mental health services so people don't have that urge to kill in the first place.

I think gun control does work, just not in the USA. If gun control is to be implemented, this has to happen before the guns are in circulation. I think Germany is a pretty good example. Gun Control was implemented after WW2, in that time the german firearms were collected and destroyed, as a result only the Allies had access to guns, not even the police had any. Of course gun control worked. In the following years gun control was reduced, more and more guns came into circulation, but still with much regulation. As a result it is much harder to obtain illegal guns in Germany than in the US and the legal ones are strictly regulated. Of course we still had massacres in Germany, but not as many as in the US. Also gun related accidents occur far less.

In the US far too many guns are in circulation to give gun control any chance to work, also most massacres were done with legal weapons anyways. Thus I completely agree with your bolded part, mental healthcare is the key.

TL;DR: Gun control can work, but only if it is implemented at the right time. Mental healthcare is far more important.


That's not really true. It is very possible for a country that already has guns in circulation to enact strict gun control measures, and for those measures to have a huge effect on violent crime in the long term:

Australia has much in common with the United States. It was initially settled by teeming masses — in its case, largely convicts — fleeing England. Its identity was forged in the populating of its vast, empty spaces. And today it retains a considerable frontier mentality, and a considerable amount of ranching and hunting.

 But the similarities end when it comes to guns. While gun ownership has been a part of Australians’ way of life, they have a much more utilitarian view of their purpose. 

 So, when a gunman killed 35 people in 1996 with a semiautomatic rifle in the tourist town of Port Arthur, on the island of Tasmania, the Australian people decided it was time for a change. 

A new law, backed by a conservative prime minister, divided firearms into five categories. Some of the deadliest assault-style weapons and large ammunition clips are now all but impossible for individuals to lawfully own.

Firearms are subject to a strict permitting process, and dealers are required to record sales, which are tracked by the national and territorial governments. What’s more, the law encouraged people to sell their firearms back to the government, which purchased and destroyed about 700,000 of them.

The results are hard to argue with. According to a Harvard University study, 13 gun massacres (in which four or more people died) occurred in the 18 years before the law was enacted. In the 16 years since there has been none. Zero.

The overall firearm homicide rate dropped from 0.43 per 100,000 in the seven years before the law to 0.25 in the seven years after. By 2009, the rate had dropped further, to just 0.1 per 100,000, or one per million.

In the USA, the 2009 firearm homicide rate was 3.3 per 100,000, some 33 times higher than Australia’s.

There are, to be sure, some significant differences between Australia and the United States. Australia has 3million guns; America has roughly 300 million. The U.S. has greater constitutional protections for keeping and bearing arms. And the gun lobby in Australia is nowhere near as powerful as the National Rifle Association is in the U.S.

But the Australian experience demonstrates what can be accomplished if a people gets serious about gun violence.

The key is not merely to adopt new gun laws, but to undergo a cultural shift. Similar shifts have occurred around such issues as smoking and excessive drinking, especially when driving is involved.

The early signs are that the massacre in Newtown, Conn., will cause a significant push for tighter gun restrictions, which the White House endorsed on Tuesday.

As the debate takes shape in coming weeks, lawmakers would do well to focus on the successes in Australia. That country has shown how tighter gun laws, and sensible attitudes about the role of guns in society, can make a real difference.

We could learn much from our friends down under.

 

http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/20121221/SHE06/312210143/Editorial-Australian-gun-control-holds-lessons-U-S-?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

 

As you can see, not only do gun control laws help reduce violent crimes, they can be enacted in a country where the guns had already been in circulation for centuries, and have some seriously positive effects.


Heck, the United States violent crime rate has actually been dropping ever since the Brady Bill law was implemented. Gun control laws work.

 

Well, I did not know about this. Great example of working gun control laws, but after what must be the 3rd or 4th massacre in the last decade I really doubt a gun control law would work in the USA. If anything MORE guns are sold because people are afraid, the mentality of the US citizens doesn´t seem to work well with such a law. I think the weapons would only be hidden after being banned.