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Runa216 said:

I told you man, I'm not irrational.  Just becuase you've only seen the endgame, sick of the zealots Runa doesn't mean I was always like that, or that there isn't more to my stance.  I've always believed that Jesus was real, and that the bible was at least partially historically accurate.  I just don't think for a second that automatically means everything in the bible is unadulterated truth.

I also don't think that all religious folks are bad, in fact I grew up with enough people of MANY faiths that I know better.  Religious people are just like every other religious and non religious person:  we're all just trying to do the best we can with what we've got, and we're ALL trying to make the world a better place (even if your moral stances are less than desirable to the masses.)  The only real difference is that SOME people are using religion as a way to make the world worse, to preach hatred and bigotry, to start wars, and to generally be asshats.  My 'goal' has never been to take people's hope away (though I do thoroughly and honestly believe that any faith is hogwash), but to take away that weapon used to preach intolerance and hate.  The reason I am so aggressively against it is becuase the world has this collective shit on the idea that religion needs to follow the same logic any other argument needs to take, and I take great offense to that, and you should too.  

So really, I just want to take this 'perfect' weapon away from those who would use it to spread ignorance, halt scientific progress, or preach hatred and bigotry.

Get where I'm coming from now? 

@bold. I really do, because I like you believe that all things in life need to submit to the rules of logic, reason and science, even religion.

I believe I finally see where you're coming from.

My commitment is to truth, if that's your too, then if we disagree, let's remember that we're fighting for the same goal, in different paths. Since I don't expect anyone to have the absolute truth, I understand we may be at different paths in our quest for truth, but knowing that our direction isone and the same, we need to work together. I'm hoping that will be possible.