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Max King of the Wild on 13 December 2012
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Lafiel said:
irstupid said:
thismeintiel said:
I suppose none of the anti-gun people aren't going to explain why Vermont, a state with very lax guns laws, has one lowest number of gun homicides per capita in the US.


I also believe that Illionois with the strictest gun regulations has one of if not the highest gun related incidents/deaths/ect.

 

I'm not saying they coorlelate, cause obvioulsy if you have a lot of gun violence you will try to enforce stricter rules, and if you have no gun violence, you will not need to make them any tougher and could even lax them.

All this shows is that its not the rules that are the problem, its the people.  If Illinois and Vermont switched rules for a year, I bet the crime would stay the same.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

maybe you should argue with facts and not with what you "believe"

the only stat in which Illinois is the highest is in "firearms, % of all murders" (~80%), which I interpret as that they'd better have less guns as guns play a role in almost every murder in Illinois


Nice UK link... I love how the think Michigan looks. Anyway, do you know anything about Illinois? Like it's most of it's population is in the north-east? Chicago (Illinois) has taken the top spots in gang and gun violence in the recent years.

Anyway, that chart got their information from the FBI website, low and behold what do I find next to Illinois? " Limited supplemental homicide data were received." Which is the only state with that. So yes, compare full data to limited data. Good idea,

If I were to guess those Illinois numbers are for Chicago alone.

So what I found is the Chicago was number 2 in murder last year with New York taking the top spot. I know Chicago out paced it's last year totals so might end up number 1 if New York declines it's totals from what I read the trend in most US cities is a decline except in Chicago

Edit: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/02/chicago-murder-rate-surges-as-new-york-s-drops-to-record-low.html

Yup chicago is number 1 in murder this year. Beats new york which is 3 times chicagos size. Chicagos murder total passed last years in October.