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pezus said:
timmah said:

*sigh*, I guess there's literally no logic that would work with you on this. Launch ports and 1st generation games on a new console have always been graphically well below the full capability of the system, but you're just going to ignore that. This is not even debatable.

EDIT: And if you think that the PS4 is going to be anywhere near as big a leap PS3 was to PS2, you're going to be very disappointed. Keep in mind this is a good thing, it means Sony may actually stay in business and we can have great games like Uncharted continue to be made. Competition is good for everybody.

None of that is relevant to what I'm saying. 

People keep telling me "Oh, but Wii U will have much better looking games in the future than PS3/360 games" but then do a complete 180 when talking about 720/PS4. AS IF they wouldn't increase the power significantly 8-9 years later. It's very, very easy to make a lot more powerful console today and next year than in 2005/2006. Wii U ports just about match PS3/360, while 360/PS3 ports early on already showed huge strides over last gen. This is a pretty significant clue about Wii U's jump. 

It's in Sony and MS's best interest to distance themselves as far as possible from Nintendo's system because they will not want Nintendo to get their 3rd party support.

History is not irrelevent, there's no way that games developed for the Wii U in a couple years will only match rushed launched ports, no way at all. Logically it follows that, if day 1 lauched ports with little to no optimization are about on par with some of the best of the current gen, future games will be a meaningful improvement of that (so there will be a graphical leap from PS360 to WiiU, especially when the more advanced features of the *much* more modern GPU are used). You greatly undervalue the power of optimization for a new architecture given the complexities of today's games.

No doubt the PS4 will be more powerful, the question is by how much. Does the latest PS4 dev kit being a modified PC with an AMD A10 CPU/GPU combo (not a beast by any stretch) & Sony talking about making 'very affordable' hardware mean nothing? It'll be a jump, but not anywhere near what you think in my 'umble opinion. No way it's as big as the last gen's jump for any console. If you got your wish on the PS4 and they pulled another 'PS3' on us, Sony would probably go out of business from the losses, and that's not good for the industry since it stifles competition. It's going to be interesting to watch the reaction if my opinion turns out to be correct. In any event, the PS4 is going to be great, no doubt there. I may even get one if the price is right!

Now that the thread has been totally derailed... :p