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pokoko on 01 December 2012
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RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

I'm not trying to flame you at all, but honestly, a lot of what you say sounds emotional rather than practical.  You're assigning responsibility for Nintendo's situation to everyone but Nintendo, which just makes no real-world sense.  They are responsible for themselves.  Third party developers cannot be blamed for concentrating resources where they could produce games for two consoles rather than one.  That's just smart management.  Consumers cannot be blamed for their taste in gaming.  With regards to what they want, consumers are ALWAYS right.  That's one of the golden rules of business.

I used to own a video rental store.  In the first year, I ordered a lot of quality films: Golden Globe winners, film festival winners, subtitled films, and indie films that won multiple awards--all of which rented like crap.  80% lost money per copy.  In my second year, I concetrated on direct-to-video releases by Segal, Van Damme, and anything with a rap star in it.  I couldn't keep those in stock.  The point is, the customers might have had horrible taste, but from a business standpoint I was the one who made the mistake.  That was my responsibility and I failed to understand my market.

I'm also not sure why you keep saying "older teens" because that's only part of who we're talking about.  It's also people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, people who drifted away from Nintendo after the SNES.

Look, the essence of my argument is pretty simple.  Nintendo consoles are almost always the best for kids and families.  They START OUT with most of the people who become gamers already in their grasp.  From a business standpoint, that's awesome.  But then people get older and their tastes begin to vary.  Some of them like what Nintendo does so they stay.  Some of them want something else and they realize that Nintendo seems to have little interest in keeping them so they jump ship.  There is no reason that has to be the case.

Nintendo has always made people chose which one they want, which means Nintendo is responsible for letting those people go.  They can't blame that on third parties.  Other publishers and developers are not responsible for Nintendo's business.  If Nintendo wants third parties then they're going to have to convince them that it would be in their best interest to stay.  If they want to keep their customers from jumping then its up to them to take action to keep them.  No one else is responsible for Nintendo except Nintendo.

Personally, I see no reason why Nintendo can't produce two or three mature rated games.  Not only would it let the core customer know that they are serious about winning back that demographic but it would also let third parties know that Nintendo has an eco-system that would support mature games.  It would be a win-win situation.

You must have glanced over point 3. Also, third parties are responsible for the games they make. If they produce crap, then it's only right to blame them, not the console manufacturer. It's ridiculous to blame Nintendo for crappy third party games instead of the companies that made said crappy games.

I keep saying "older teen crowd" for the sake of this thread and its creator. Besides, there aren't too many people in their 20s, 30s or older who refuse to buy a Nintendo console due to a lack of "mature" games, so what this thread is about is indeed mostly teenagers.

The main problem with teenagers is that they are easy to manipulate and believe that M-rated games are mature. Every single one of Nintendo's competitors painted Nintendo as the kiddie company, so teenagers are basically a lost cause for Nintendo until these people grow up and realize that M-rated games are usually anything but mature and return to Nintendo. Even the Nintendo 64 was viewed as a kiddie console despite housing a large number of FPS games. It's a curse that Nintendo has to live with, because it's not going to change. Spending big money on M-rated games will basically amount to throwing money down the drain.

Regarding the ecosystem for "mature" games, if Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 sells 1.5-2m copies within a year (estimating 8-10m Wii Us sold during that timeframe), then it's basically established.

Ugh.  This is worthless.  You generalize and stereotype just as much as those you argue against.  Why can't you understand that different people have different tastes and that your particular tastes don't make you superior?  Dude, honestly, you're the exact same type of person that you're complaining about.

 "Until these people grow up and realize that M-rated games are usually anything but mature and return to Nintendo," is just such a short-sighted ... I can't say the word but I'm sure you know what I'm thinking.  I really, really dislike this kind of elitism.

Luckily, Nintendo doesn't seem to agree with you.