Jay520 said:
Player1x3 said:
You know to whom logic and laws of our universe dont apply to? God. It is really the most logical explanation.
''But before the universe, who is to say that those laws and that logic applied?''
Nothing, but to create OUR UNIVERSE as it is now, you would need to use (or a create) the laws that apply to OUR UNIVERSE. We can thus assume, that universe was created using the laws which it contains today. You cant use any laws to create something which later creates its own different laws and rules
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True. but why must that God be conscious, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibeloved, and how do you know there aren't more Gods. I can understand a belief in a creator, but where do these other traits come from?
As for the second part: Who's to say? It seems like you're just making assumptions here. Just because laws have been constant for your life doesn't mean they weren't at some other time.
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I didnt mention those traits lol. I was just talking about God in a simplefied way, i.e a higher power. Omni potence, science and benevolence were irrelevant (altho i do beleive God is atleast some of those characteristics)
Well, isn't this whole topic just a giant assumption? And you didnt really bring up a counter argument there
