Jay520 said:
Player1x3 said:
Well, you asked about the laws. But laws on their own can not make something happen (most certanly not something as complicated as the universe), they need something to enforce them...and that something cant be nothing. They need some sort of force, guidence, or physical matter. Its simple as that. So even if if we say something did existe before the universe (and we dont include God) its still highly unlikely that that 'something'' caused the universe to exist
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True, but it is laws that stop things from happening in our universe. The laws of our universe prevent things from coming from nothing; everything has a cause. But before the universe existed, that law may or may not have existed. Therefore, before the universe existed, things may or may not have appeared without cause. Theoretically at least.
Everything you've said is based on the laws and logic of our universe. But before the universe, who is to say that those laws and that logic applied?
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You know to whom logic and laws of our universe dont apply to? God. It is really the most logical explanation.
''But before the universe, who is to say that those laws and that logic applied?''
Nothing, but to create OUR UNIVERSE as it is now, you would need to use (or create) the laws that apply to OUR UNIVERSE. We can thus assume, that universe was created using the laws which it contains today. You cant use any laws to create something which later creates its own different laws and rules
