How something can come from nothing

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Jay520 said:

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Jay520 said:

Player1x3 said:

They would, only on a very limited scale

If laws existed and laws are 'something', then doesn't that make it impossible for 'nothing' to exist, even theoretically?

''Nothing'' in its physical form...laws have no physical form. I thought we were talking about physial mater only here.

Basically, this whole conversation basically confirmes the theistic abrahamic God or deistic higher power i easly the most logical cause for the existence of the universe. (so far at least)

By 'nothing', I meant everything, both physical and abstract entities. 

If anything, this conversating shows that 'something' must exist. It's not logically possible for nothing to exist. I don't see how this confirms that a conscious, omnibeloved, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, being started the universe.

Well, you asked about the laws. But laws on their own can not make something happen (most certanly not something as complicated as the universe), they need something to enforce them...and that something cant be nothing. They need some sort of force, guidence, or physical matter. Its simple as that.  So even if if we say something did existe before the universe (and we dont include God) its still highly unlikely that that 'something'' caused the universe to exist