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Just as a quick BTW, I played GT3 last week just to see what it was like. When I first played GT3, I thought it was a great physics simulation (and I'm still sure that it was compared to everything else at the time), but having played lots of GT4 now, I can see how much it pales in comparison. I play both games with the Logitech Driving Force Pro. The force feedback in GT4 is far more accurate, and so is the accuracy of the physics.