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happydolphin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its a casual and gamer draw, but no I wouldn't consider it amongst hardcore games. As a lifelong gamer, it would consider it nostalgia by now. I can't get mario out of my system.

Why not, underlined is what I want to know, why not? What makes a game hardcore, that it requires skill?

When I grew up playing super mario I only needed two buttons to jump and spit fire. The skill came at how much enemies and environments hurled themselves at you and how you best avoided them. I played harder games as a child. Complex control schemes in hardcore games are demanding and really demand mastering of complex control schemes. Also, we know the audience has grown up, which is why these games have these mature themes and stories. Nintendo knows exactly who they are trying to get the attention of with Super Mario, but everyone can play the game. Mario Sunshine was probably as hardcore as its ever going to get for Mario.