Who is the worst of the popular superheroes?

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d21lewis said:

forevercloud3000 said:
It is a tie between Superman and The Hulk, in the DC and Marvel Universes respectfully. Why? Because they are too powerful to be the slightest bit interesting, at least to me. Superman gets a heavily fabricated opposition, in random thugs robbing banks and the like. He easily dispatches them except for when they pull out some handy dandy kryptonite. He then struggles for several pages/frames simply trying to get over mentral cramps that render him useless momentarily. Yet, he always bounces back and unscathed. Superman has not sufferered or evolved as a hero since his comics began.

The Hulk is far worst, no enemy ever stands before him. The angrier he gets, the stronger he becomes. Unstoppable monstrosity who rarely goes through anything other than his anger issues. They create entire comic books just so writers can fap off to just how unscathable he is. Tiresome and boring to me.

Both of these "superheroes" remind me of when I played with toys, or roleplayed games with my brother. You see, I always took to characters that struggled and earned their right to be called extraordinary. My brother on the other hand was obsessed with being top dog, if I said my character has "Power A" he would instantaneously make his character have "Power B" to my character's flaws. These charcters are the type of thing that come up from a "One Up-er" mentality where their only claim to fame is that they are indeed stronger and more powerful than whatever the rest came up with.

Who are the best? Ironically, Batman and Spiderman. I have always been drawn to these heroes for one main reason. They struggle, not just with one problem, but with several at a time. They win, but they also lose quite often(as the good guys usually do in real life). You are forced to recognize their plight as a hero, knowing that their abilities are very finite in the grand scheme of things and will not solve every problem for them. Batman is the boldest of them all. The writers have written some monumental failures and successes in Batman's life that leaves a strong impression. For instance, when the 2nd Robin was kidnapped and beaten to death by The Joker. Batman felt failure on a level he had never before. He had experienced it slightly with his inability to keep TwoFace from going to the dark side, but this time he let someone who trusted him entirely, a kid no less, down. I love how Batman almost suffers from Sociopathic tendencies, if you haven't noticed Dexter is based on the same concept. He rarely feels for anyone or anything, yet they craft something in their lives that keep them grounded and adhere to them with complete loyalty, even if it means losing everything. Spidey and Bats both live in a believable world where social issues frequently conflict with their other persona. Spidey has common ones such as trying to court the love of his life yet keep her at a safe distance at the same time.

I just love how B and S are human in nature, vulnerable. Which turns to be the exact reason why I hate Hulk and Superman.

Superman can be beaten and has been beaten by people less powerful than him.  Lex Luthor beats Superman all of the time (but not physically--that's Darkseid, Mongul, Mageddon, Zod, Doomsday, etcs. job) because Superman, for all of his power, just can't think like Lex Luthor.

Superman isn't about catching bank robbers and throwing them in jail.  Superman is about a person with the powers of a god trying to save the world without ruling the world.  He's got small town morals.  He want to inspire people to be better, not do everything for us.  He's got an almost childlike sense of value for human life, too.  He wants to please everybody and save everybody.  He has faith in the human spirit and that's his dilemma.  People like Luthor (the pinacle of human intelligence) and Batman (the pinacle of human ability) don't like Superman because he's an alien and he's just too powerful.  They don't trust him.  They've proven time and again that they can beat Superman or manipulate him at will. 

 

Anyway, watch Superman vs. The Elite.  Ignore the shitty animation, too.  You'll see it's not easy being omnipontent.

Let me explain a bit further what I mean,

Superman never has an opposing threat that actually incites fear he will lose. Darkseid is powerful, yes. Lex Luthor is genius, yes. But neither of them have ever succeeded in their attempts to thwart him. Now I know they might "comic book kill" him but I mean the BIGGER lose. Batman fumbles in saving those who can't protect themselves all the time. Batman has failed to protect his closest friends and has watched many of them become perma dead. I have yet to see Superman ever experience true failure. The best I can think of is Superman II the Movie, when he races all over saving everyone but fails to save Lois Lane. He finally experienced what it is like to lose, and he became infuriated by it so much he was going to break his oath of not killing his enemies.

Superman is seemingly immune to the set backs other do-gooders experience on the regular, fictional and in real life. Real life proves that evil frequently prevails but nevertheless, good people just cannot give up, or they will fall into complete chaos. This fact gives the non over powered heroes a sense of dynamic realism. Watching any of the movies/animations/comics have you ever honestly felt that Superman would not entirely succeed by the end? Its like watching a TV's Smallville, when they kept attempting to "shock" the audience by killing Lana Lang......yet by the 2nd or so time we were pretty sure it was a farce. Thats Supes' in a nutshell, hes invincible, and just because you put paper barriers infront of him does not mean he is actually being challenged. PS. Goku also comes to mind as an overpowered showboating hero who never truely struggles and defies all manner of believability as a hero.

I can fathom the conept of that he is portrayed as a god who is constantly resisting temptation to rule over those who are just far weaker and needy. Yet I give you an analogy, it sounds like a kids foot vs an ant. The kid can feel pity for those much weaker and try not to step on them. I just feel the ant's side of the story is far more interesting, with him having to utilize every ability he has to survive, against seemingly unbeatable odds. Supe's is the Kid's Foot, Batman/Spiderman are the ants.

I have not seen that movie, since we have been talking about this I have peeked interest in these heroes stories again. I will check it out. Yet you have to admit, Batman does a far better job at being a superhero even tho he is technically like the weakest. (Also he can beat any member of the justice league 1on1, TRUTH!)