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Man said:
how can you say god is above our comprehension, and then say he exists?

if god exists, maybe he isnt above our comprehension....thats just your thoughts on the idea of god. why are you right about this?? *1

as for the whole morality, that can be attributed to god. but it can also be attributed to evolution. the idea of group evolution, or an individual on its own stands less chance of survival and reproduction, than if they were in a group. therefore it is in their best interests to stay and help the group, so they dont get kicked out. (thats a quite simplified explanation.) therefore, altruistic/selfless traits can evolve in pack animals. *2

to say morality is opposite to natural selection just says to me you dont know enough about evolution to argue anything about evolution v god

 *1 - if god is within our comprehension, then that would prove he existed at which point arguing against hsi existence becomes pointless, at which point I don't care :P 

 *2 - Group evolution is all well and good, but natural selection still remains the same within those pack animals, the one who is strongest is the one who is the leader of the pack, and if he or she isn't, then that is eventually remedied.

Along with this, I pointed out examples that human behavior does not include these pack animal instincts.

 

@ misterd - I don't think there's anything in the bible that says "thou shalt not copy the text of another man's website" and even then, it's not like OooSnap is publishing this as his own research, he's just giving off a list of gathered points. This really isn't any different than if I took a clipping out of a newspaper so I could show someone the article.

Also, while morality is constantly debated, there are still identifiable points that are present in a strong well developed society vs a weak less developed society. Most of the biggest are Murder, Lying, Stealing, Adultery and respecting parents/elders. While there are numerous fluctuations among other issues and with how these major issues are implemented in societies, they are still almost always present in ANY developed society. Giving credence to the idea that these morals are actually objective morals. 



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