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happydolphin on 19 October 2012
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Nem said:


What? That is not what im doing. Disproving the narrative? I never talked about whats within the narrative, but of its origin. How can you possibly know that from looking at the book written by the person that came up with the story themselves? At best you could get circunstancial proof of some event, wich i assure you in no way will proves god exists. You realise they can have lied about everything cause you have no way to verify its veracity? How do you even know they werent allucinating? That doesnt prove the story real. I proved that Zeus does not control lightning and that its a perfectly logical and predictable phenomenon. Zeus was worshipped as God of thunder and i showed he cant possibly be in control of them.

You say im melding everything into one, when you are the one that refuses to learn and treats it differently from other situations. You have a bias in there, wich is why your analysis isnt accurate. Its your religion and thus must be looked at differently. I'm not bitter man sir, i am very kind and funny, but i dont lie to people when they deserve to hear the truth for coming up with thrash such as this thread. Unfortunely though, you are lieing to yourself, because you want to. I find it pretty arrogant that you believe something that is not proven, its substanciated by texts of questionable origin, questionable veracity, and proved to be false in previous such cases, But yes, lets forget all that and analyse like a whole new case, even though it makes no sense like i showed before with the loan money example. Its the example of not learning with your mistakes and keep doing them over and over.

You are free to lie to yourself sir, i know it makes you happy, but to call me a hypocrit and a liar is indeed sweet irony. The reality of thing is there is no proof of gods existance, and studies of human faith, behaviour and the way the brain works, aswell as examples of the past make it completely logical to conclude it isnt true. Besides you know... things that are imagined in the human mind dont just poof into this reality, but its perfectly possible for people to allucinate and believe they are talking to some divine entity.

No, you really don't know anything about me. Compare yourself with me for a moment. True I called you out for the hypocrisy of your argument, but notice how you are so quick to disprove religion, where I have mostly only tried to untagle your logic. So no, lying to myself does not make me happy, I mostly like to dispel lies personally. So I'm not here to say being atheist is nuts, but I will challenge your logic where it fails. So again, compare how you constantly jump to say religion is false, and the lesser commitment to the actual argument you were using, and then compare how I stick to your logic, and put aside the "Religion is true" rhetoric. Just an observation.

@bold. That was a case where you attempted to disprove the NARRATIVE. It's black on white here.

@underlined. How can you possibly know that the story wasn't based on actual events??? I never said the fact that they say it proves the story real. You're the one saying that they could have been hallucinating or lying, and that proves that it's not real. So your logic is really screwed up.

@meltingpot. I told you that you were blending all religions together and I explained to you how hypocritical that was when you disproved the Zeus narrative using atmospheric science. Then you say because of that narrative all other religions are fabrications. It was hypocritical at worse, ill-founded at best. So get informed, and then you will be able to judge, because all the religions are VERY different from each other in narrative.

@refusing to learn. How, how have I refused to learn?

@bold-underlined. How do you know that I haven't considered the challenges to my personal belief? Proof is, I have, and I trust my knowledge of my history better than your knowledge of my history, so my word is better than yours. In fact, I have been in many debates on the topic and have constantly challenged my point of view MANY times. I'm pretty confident I've done so much more often than you have. After all, I'm 28 years old.