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Kynes on 28 August 2012
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Baron said:
Kynes said:
Baron said:

The 360 and PS3 are based on 7 year old technology, you'd have to be an utter moron to think today's technology can't deliver more power with a smaller power envelope. Like I proved already the 5570 has a TDP of 39 Watt, the 2600 XT a TDP of 50 Watt. Yet the 5570 is mutliple times faster.


5570 is made with 40nm channel lenght transistors. 2600 XT on 65nm. That's a huge difference, three manufacturing nodes (65nm->55nm->45nm->40nm), the same chip made with the same number of transistors would be on 40nm tech only a 38% of the size of a 65nm chip, (without taking into consideration pad limited chips) and that's why you have more performance with lower TDP. Do you understand it or need a diagram?

Actual X360 and PS3s are made on 45nm, WiiU uses 45nm for the proccesor and 40nm for the graphics chip. It doesn't have the manufacturing advantage.

Regarding good airflow, look at the WiiU size, and tell me that you can have good airflow on a box of that size without screaming fans. I have a 15.4 gaming laptop with a TDP of 70W and even with undervolt on the proccesor and graphics chip it's a f*cking overcraft when I play games, both fans scream like there is no tomorrow, so don't tell me how a laptop has good and silent airflow, because it's impossible. You have good imagination, I'm realistic and I don't expect miracles.

You mean two manufacturing nodes.... 65->55->40. 45nm hasn't been used for desktop/mobile gpu's, that's a cpu node. Shows us what you know...
But you're completely talking around the FACT that newer technology is faster than old technology. The 360 and PS3 are made on 45nm TODAY, they were designed on 90nm. You believe they miraculously became more powerful after they went down in size? The only advantage is that they consume less power now and can run almost completely quiet.

So yes, the Wii U does have a manufacturing advantage. That advantage being that it's based on newer tech.

Also, sorry to hear your laptop is utter shit. Mine is fine though. Core i7 2630QM combined with a GeForce GT540M. Good for 77 Watts with those two parts alone. It get's hot, but not unbarable. Noise is about the same as the 360 Elite I had when on full pelt. The heat dissipation vent is about the same size as the Wii's by the way. I know, IMPOSSIBRU right?

But you'll probably won't believe me and say it's my 'imagination'.

That a full node or a half node weren't used for graphics chips doesn't mean that they weren't nodes. There is still the same size difference, what is more, if they wouldn't have used 55nm, the difference between the physical characteristics between 65nm node and 40nm node is the same, the 40nm chip still has a die size of approximately a 40% of the die size of the same chip on 65nm, with the consumption and/or power advantages that difference provides.

The 360 and the PS3 made with 45nm technology today still use more than 90W, designed on 90 nm or not. The fact that they were designed for 90nm don't mean nothing when those chips are shrink to 40 and 45nm (RSX now is made on 40nm). Both consoles power consumption are on the 90-100W range, with 45nm chips. The main advantage that Nintendo has is much more memory and compatibility with newer effects, but it won't provide a huge jump on performance to what PS3 and X360 provide.

We won't need to speculate for too long, in less than a month we will see who is correct and who's wrong. I have not too high expectations, so the performance can only be equal or better than what I expect. You will find that the reality isn't what you expect, because you have unreasonable expectations.