Kynes said:
Baron said:
Kynes said:
Baron said:
It has become clear to me you have little understanding of hardware and power profiles. The Wii had a 20 Watt TDP because its hardware is based on components developed in 2001 originally manufactured with a 180nm proces then downsized to 90nm for the Wii. Again, size =/= power profile.
I also never said the GPU in the Wii U is going to have a 50 Watt TDP. I only compared the difference in performance relative to TDP in just two years time by using the 2600 XT and the 4650 as an example. If the Wii U GPU really is manufactured with a 40nm process as rumors suggest then the 5570 with a TDP of 'only' 39 Watts is plenty to smash the performance of the 360's Xenos.
Your assumption seems to be based solely on the fact that the Wii U isn't much bigger than the Wii. Understandable but mistaken.
Until we know what kind of power profile Nintendo has in mind we can't say anything without them being baseless assumptions.
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I don't know anything about hardware and power profiles. I've been reading silentpcreview since ~2005, Beyond3D since 2004, I've done overclocking with undervolting to my laptops, my studies are equivalent to an electrical engineering, and I work with hardware, but I know nothing of it.
I'm just saying that we shouldn't have unreasonable expectations of the power that a console with that aspect ratio could have. WiiU seems to be at most two times the volume of Wii, Nintendo shouldn't make a console with a power envelope higher than 50-60W with that aspect ratio, or we will have consoles that die due to thermal fatigue as X360 and PS3 suffered this gen.
I'm sure that Nintendo want a failure rate in the low single digit range, and putting >80W in a box of that size is looking for problems.
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Why do you keep going on about how the size of the console is why it will not be very powerful. For someone who claims to know a great deal about hardware and power profile you're completely missing the point. The only problem the size brings is the limited size of the fans and smaller fans tend to generate more noise. That is it.
I say the real limiting factor will be price. Nintendo will not want to create a 400 dollar console. I can see something like the 5570 being the base of the Wii U's gpu. Cheap but substantially faster than either the Xenos or the RSX.
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Nintendo isn't going to create a console with the noise of an 1U server. You have a small box, low noise profile... that implies very low power consumption.
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And a 5570 doesn't need a lot of cooling as it has a low profile. There are even passive cooled versions of it. Yet it's about as fast as a 3870 which in turn is anything from 2 (DX9) to 4 (DX10) times more powerful than a 2600 XT.
