valen200 said:
Kasz216 said:
Bursche said:
vaio said:
The moment Bush approve guantanamo bay prisons or detentions (what ever you want to call it) he became one step closer to Hussein and that´s why most people think he is a war criminal. |
Yea because putting less than a thousand suspected terrorists in a US Military Base is about as bad as gassing millions of Kurds. Jeez, someone get the UN and arrest Bush!!! Now Im not a far right, Im actually really moderate and I disapprove of Bush. But the man isnt nearly as bad as people make him out to be. HIstory will prove this. Scandals and an unpopular war makes him an easy target for just about everything under the sun, but if you really sit down and think about it, i mean without all the propaganda about everything being his fault, you will see heisnt THAT bad. He isnt great, good, hes just mediocre. |
Eh, i'd put him in the "Mediocre-bad" column. He was nowhere near the worse... but I think we'd of been better off with a different president. I think when they eventually rate presidents he'll end up historically below the mendoza line.
The Mendoza like being William Henry Harrison of course. For our non-american friends... the Mendoza line is a baseball term. It's when your batting average is below .198 or so. It's a term named after Mario Mendoza who was one of the best defensive players of all time... who sucked at hitting. Basically if you are a pitcher that hit's lower then he does, your defense is no longer better then your offense. Basically your doing more bad then good. Also for our non-american friends. William Henry Harrison died in 31 days into office. So he did basically nothing. Presidents who fall below William Henry Harrison are basically seen as been bad for the nation, while those above have been seen to do atleast ok for the nation or at least didn't damage the country significantly even if outside situations hurt it that were unstoppable. Bush wasn't anywhere nearas bad as Pierce, Harding or Buchanon. I'd put him neck and neck with Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson caused much worse problems... but he also had a much harder road out there, and they went about it about the same way... had they been switched presidencies i think Jackson would of handled everything better then Bush would handle reconstruction. For those saying Lincoln was overrated.... note 3 of the 4 worst presidents ever surrounded him. Lincoln was freaking amazing. He just didn't give a damn about black people. |
In terms of historical accuracy, I would have to say that this is the best post I have read in this thread.The "Parade of Fools" was the saddest batch of loser Presidents who were in office leading up to the Civil war. Lincoln outshines them by quite a bit, and Johnson got saddled with a terrible situation. Rutherford B. Hayes should also be added to the list of miserable presidents. Grant was also a better General than President, his military skills are for another thread. I do however think is unfair to say that Lincoln didn't give a damn about the slaves. He, and Grant, were from the Midwest and married into wealthy families that owned slaves. They shared a bond on this issue because they both felt deeply conflicted over slavery. Lincoln did use political expediency, but it was not a matter he took lightly. Most things related to the Civil war get overly simplified over time, and Lincoln is such a topic.
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Yeah, i think historically Grant is considered right above William Henry Harrison, but he's considered the worst president to not be as bad as someone who died before doing anything. Maybe "didn't give a damn" was unfair, but I think it was a very low priority to him, and if it wasn't deemed advantageous he wouldn't of freed them.
Ruthoford B Hayes was actually ranked in the middle of the pack i believe. Probably because he tried all he could to prevent the rollback of Civil Rights enforcement and eventually was forced to compromise.
Other then that i can't really think of anything too positive or negative he did. Their was the Union thing, but there were riots going on, anyone could of made the same mistake.
