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Baron on 26 August 2012
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DakonBlackblade said:
Baron said:

DakonBlackblade said:

I was reading trought the thread and i found this here, this post is just wow, you got it all figured out alread man, you know exactly how the next gem "console war" will happen years before it even starts, youre fantastic. Ever considered a career as a psychic ?

Trying to predict the future much maybe ?

O and the "flop" PS3, as you called it, is the best selling console this year by far, it also happens to be selling faster tham the 360 when you line up the launches since ever and in theory holds the bigest chunk of the conventional gamers market, Wii sold more but mostly cause it sold to a diferent market tham 360 and PS3 did, the HD twins shared the more conventional (many times called hardcore but i dont realy like that term) gamers market, Wii only got a small share of those onboard, wich is why the WiiU is aiming to keep pleasing the casuals but also apeal to this market they couldnt get last generation by making a more powerfull machine capable of getting 3rd parties interested in developing theyre big games for Nintendo as well.

 

I think the sucess of the WiiU depends on how much ppl will decide to comit to this new console even before knowing anythign about the next box and the new playstation. If Nintendo has a good marketing strat and realy delivers an interesting enought product its on the right way to be the top seller console next gem, if it fails to impress ppl will choose to wait and them itll be all about how superior or not the new Microsoft and Sony conseles are.

The PS3 selling the most this year still doesn't change the fact that it's been a flop for Sony. Not only have they lost a significant part of their market share but they've been making a loss ever since the PS3 was launched. If something makes less money than what has been spent on it then it's a flop.

I also don't see how the PS3 holds the biggest chunk of the conventional gamers market. The main reason the PS3 has been catching up to the 360 is because the 360 just doesn't and will never sell in Japan. That's about a 7 million advantage for Sony right there. But install base is nowhere near a good indication of what kind of gamers own a specific console. I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really.

So if you're gonna criticize someones predictions at least make sure you use facts yourself. And leave personal feelings as they are, don't mistake those for facts either.

So the Japanese dont count as gammers them ? What are they ? I could use the same argument to say that the only reason 360 even sold as much as it did is because it has a bigger chunk of the American market, but that also wouldnt make any sense cause the American gamers are as much a gamer as any other gamer in the world, just like the Japanese.

360 wil always sell more software per unit cause Americans consume more tham any other ppl, since they have a bigger chunk of this market they sell more softwares, mainly shooters wich is the favored genre of the American conventional gamer, the software market is simply put biger on the USA, therefore its expected that whiechever console holds that market will sell more softwares. Still PS3s software sales overall isnt far behind.

Ppl also tend to forget that the PS3 didnt sell as well as the PS2 because the 360 is a great console, the PS2 didnt have any real competition therefore ruled supreme, its expected that a product wont domain the market if it has good competiton. Its happening with the smartphone market for instance, Apple was completly dominant for awhile, them Sansung started making some great quality smartphones, now the market is getting divided.

The Wii undeniable sold to a diferent market tham the HD twins, wich basicaly shared a market that was exclusive to the PS2 on the previous generation, or do you think Nintendo wants ot apeal to the conventional gamers with WiiU because they were happy with how many copys they sold to this market ? Wii also had a very week 3rd party support because of it casualness and Nintendo want to have that suport this time around, I think they ahve the right idea with WiiU here apealing to both casuals and conventionals, it all depends on how well they put that idea to pratice.

Like I said, basing the type of gamers on install base is flawed. As is using any other argument to make console x look like more of a gamers console than console y. That's why I said "I could say the 360 has more conventional gamers based on the fact it has a much higher number of games sold per console and more games means real gamers. It's all just baseless assumptions really."

You make it look like the PS3 is the only console for 'real' gamers. I disagree. I say 'real' gamers own (or would like to have) multiple platforms.

 

And your 360 assessment is also just a baseless assumption. Where has it been proven that Americans buy more games than Europeans or Japanese?
I also never said the Japanese are not real gamers. I only said Sony (and Nintendo) has a clear advantage because Microsoft will never be able to establish a significant install base there.