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theprof00 said:

1Except I'm not saying that. I'm saying a person should be able to logically and responsibly be able to determine that their own delivery could be catastrophic. A mother knows her capabilities and her own shortcomings, so she should be able to make that decision. This has nothing to do with race, it's about whether a mother believes that she has the ability to raise a child productively of her own accord.

2And see that's where I disagree wholeheartedly, because it implies that people who are successful tried harder or had the right principles. I worked very very hard to get where I am, and it's insulting and downcasting to think that people who have gotten further, worked harder. It also ignores factors like wealth, physiology, psychology, and opportunity, and as you said, luck. I'm sorry badger, but hard work does not solve all problems. Sure many problems would be solved if people worked harder, but this I feel is one of the reasons I am a liberal, because I've paid my way through catholic high school when my mom wanted to send me to public, and I got a full ride to a prestigious college. I pay an exorbitant amount of money on taxes and necessities and fees that I live paycheck to paycheck, while now, I'm concurrently teaching myself php, html, javascript, korean, and japanese, AND attempting to get an advanced degree while working part time after being laid off and writing business proposals for incubator/accelerators. Meanwhile, people like Paul Ryan want no taxes on capital gains? Excuse me for being obscenely rude, but 'fuck that party'. I am the future job creator. Why do I have to work 15 times harder?

Excuse me for that off-topic rant, but I feel your stance on "responsibility" is one of the core reasons for disagreement on this issue.

EDIT: put a 1 and 2 for clarity

Well, now I'm confused. Do you believe in elective abortions or not? Do you believe in an exception for economic hardship in addition to medical hardship?

I didn't say that hard work solved all problems. In fact, I specifically said that if you work very hard in the wrong direction, you won't get anywhere. I do think that attempts to address poverty with government welfarism have only exacerbated the situation. Some people are born with advantages, and some are born with extreme disadvantages. That's obvious and inevitable. But it seems hopelessly naïve to believe that the government is capable of rightly deciding who has too much and who has too little and enacting "social justice" when it has so much difficulty enforcing regular old justice. That assumes that they even sincerely are motivated by a desire to do the right in the first place when most politicians are themselves just pigs feeding at the trough. We are stuck in a pattern of empowering the government to keep teh won percentz in line, and then when the rich buy the government, we just further empower the government that they've already bought. That is insanity.

And hey, for my part, I'd at least reduce your tax burden.