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Legend11 on 22 August 2012
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wfz said:
Legend11 said:

It doesn't make any sense to to refer to it as your "friend" or "sister" or "newborn" when asking people to decide for themselves if an embryo at fertilization or in the first few weeks is a human being or not.  The embryo at that point is not an almost newborn or a 20 year old friend because if it was then there would be no question about it being a human being.

Anyways I'm done discussing this as I feel that simply asking people to look at something and make up their own minds about it is hardly being unfair to Akin.  Asking this question doesn't require it to be asked from Akin's point of view or even to tell people what his stand is in the first place.

Also the question was never about a newborn that the parents stopped taking care of so you're the one that is actually guilty of creating straw man arguments with that and in stating the question needs to be asked from one of the viewpoints you've mentioned.

I'm going to nudge in here and say I believe you're not understanding what Kasz is getting at.

I understand completely what he is getting at.

You presented a very loaded question in your first post written completely from the side of "look at this poor woman." Kasz then presented that others, who feel embryos are humans, would look at the topic from "look at this poor human baby."

It's obvious you don't understand what a loaded question actually is so I'll explain it to you.  A loaded question contains a controversial or unjustified assumption.  There is no such assumptions in the question I've asked so I'm going to assume you're actually talking about loaded language.  I admit there is loaded language so it would have been better to simply ask if an embryo is a human life or not and leave it at that.

You must realize your question (asking people which side they'd choose) was very biased in the viewpoint it was presented in, and made to make a person feel bad for choosing the opposite side. Kasz was merely giving you a very valid, and opposite, way to approach the same topic from the other side of the spectrum.

Kasz question was a loaded question, my question was not, that's something I was trying to point out to him.  That was something that I think flew over your head if you though both questions were just as valid.  My question didn't actually state anything about the the embryo (while his forced the reader to assume it was a person).  As far as making someone feel bad I can't believe that someone would come to the conclusion that an embryo is a human being and then feel bad for choosing the life of a human being over the feelings/emotions of another.

Your inability to even truly understand the thoughts of those who believe the embryo is a human (which you made even more clear in this post of yours I quoted) shows how biased you are and how fueled and loaded your statements are. Kasz, who even shares the same basic viewpoints on this topic as you, manages to do it in a very productive, non-biased fashion that shows a more knowledgable approach to the topic. If I were you, I'd think about this and use it as a possible growing experience.

I do undestand the logic of those that believe an embryo is human so please stop making assumptions and stating them as fact.  The next time you wish to lecture someone please at least know what you're talking about.