Does Mario need to be so kiddy?

[JWeinCom]

happydolphin said:

JWeinCom said:

You can debate art, but you do need some sort of functional operational definition.

For example, what's a "kiddy" sound as opposed to a not kiddy sound?  What makes one instrument a kiddy insturment and another instrument an adult instrument?  You could play a lullaby on a bass guitar, and you can play a dirge on a mandolin (probably can't play a lullabye on a drum though. That'd be impressive).  You mention woody sounds in Mario Bros 3, but what exactly makes those sounds any more "adult" than the music in Mario?  Again, it seems you're just operating based on how the music makes you feel, but it may make me feel entirely differently.  

On the whole, I feel that you're attributing peppy, up tempo, cheerful, or high pitched as childish, and anything with more bass, more somber, or darker (physically or emotionally) as adult, and I don't think this is the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIuvjG3Egjo  Is this kiddy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3IRiSm3iA&feature=related  You mentioned intimidating boss fights, but this was way more intimidating than anything in Mario 3.

@bold. Precisely. If included with other darker moods, it would fit well. But it doesn't fit well when it's not properly dosed.

@Final Boss theme. Yep, I heard that one while doing my research, and yes, it's an exception, but even it contains some cheesy segments. However I'll admit it's darker, but the zappy sounds I consider cheesy. Also, there is a point where going epic is trying too hard. there is a delicate middle. Nintendo hasn't found it yet imho.

@Final Boss NSMBWii. Exception, and yes a very awesome boss fight.

Alright, I get that, but I disagree.  I don't think there is anything inherently more adult about darker themes, or anything inherently less adult about treble notes.  Again, this all seems based on your personal preferences.  You find "zappy" sounds to be cheesy, but that doesn't make it so.  The modern Mario games just don't seem to meet your standards for "adult" entertainment, just like Tarzan won't meet many people's standards for "adult" entertainment (not to be confused with adult entertainment.    

@Final Boss theme-  When you're dealing with a plumber fighting a giant dinosaur in the heart of the universe with everything existence hanging in the balance, there is no such thing as going too epic.  By that point in Mario Galaxy, moderation was just a tiny dot in the rear view mirror.