@mai
it's just not true... if you have 100 good sportman who could place 2., 8,, 20. and whatever against the whole planet in any sport and you give them the worst dope possible (that's what athletes even say who used it can't you accept that?) then yes, they will place first, second, third lol.
no one is saying they didn't do much for sports in gdr, who is saying that? didn't i even say that they loved to waste money for that instead of using it to really help the people living in the gdr with investments in more important areas? i just say that they would have won much much less medals, maybe 10 gold or so which is still impressive.
but great that you don't talk about all the points i mentioned like the soviet russian example and the countries of that from nowadays, just ignore it and still believe russia would win almost the same medals with chinas size or netherlands size of population with only a small difference to what they win nowadays if it makes you happy and let you dream that russia is much better than all except china and usa just because they are so much better in sport. if you really believe that usa is doing more for sports compared to some smaller developed countries you are simply wrong. 5x as much facilities with 20x as uch people doesn't mean they do more for everyone on average, just that they have more facilities in general.
and you always mention germany's decline, why do you even mention that all the time? did someone ever say that germany had no decline? yes they have one in summer olympics, they have a much smaller population between 18-35 years (as potential athletes) than they had 20 years ago (usa should have even more in that age than they had 20-30 years ago) and germany has the lowest birth rate, that even proves that population matters if exactly the country with the biggest decline in births has the biggest decline in sport success. and the system isn't as good as it was some time ago, we all now that here and i think we waste really too much for football instead of putting more in other sports. but how does this change anything about usa, china and russia? how often shall i say that you see with greece and uk that investments push your success but greece could still never be as good as usa because even if they would invest 10x as much per capita as usa they would invest still less overall and would still have much less potential athletes in the population.
