| mai said: So all GDR victories are thanks to doping? :D Consider this. Every team was in similar situation like everyone else, if they weren't caught like everyone else it's not their problem, it's a problem of IOC. Their victories are valid and couldn't be canceled in retrospect just because you want to. Here's Germany's 'progress' in gold medals starting from 1988: 48 (GDR+FRG) > 33 > 20 > 13 > 13 > 16 > 11 If it'd be all thanks to doping the winning phase would have dropped to 11 starting from 1992. In reality it's a slow way down due to simple fact, despite bigger population, investment in sports (or their effecitvity) were down, down and down. As for the USSR example, it's not total population that matter, but 'athletes population', which has decreased in a blink of an eye, and general lack of investment in sports for 10 years.
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a lot of athletes still started for germany in 1992 and just because there was no gdr anymore doesn't mean there did no one work for athletes anymore from the gdr time. it's not as if they would have said "oh, no gdr anymore, let's stop with everything" from one to the next year so no, it wouldn't have dropped from one to the next olympics like you think just because it was dope in gdr.
you said people try to find excuses but in reality you are the one who tries to defend russian medals saying it has nothing to do with population size. i'm pretty sure that's what you try here but almost no one would come to that idea, you are the only one who thinks that. i don't believe someone from usa here believes usa would win the same medals if tehy wouldn#t have so many mega cities with sports facilities and instead of that usa would be only new york and no other city/place. and i'm pretty sure my country germany would win less than 44 medals if germany would only have the population of belgium. and yes we could be better if we would invest more but it's just not possible to beat china and usa over the long run. we are always the best or second best winter sports nation so at least if you count summer and winter olympics we are much closer to russia and usa. but if the whole usa would be a winter sport nation and not only few places, countries like norway or germany would also have no chance in winter olympics anymore.
i gave you an example with soviet russia compared to only russia which has also a drop. i explained you that the ex soviet russian countries with a bigger population are more successful than the ones with only a few million except one country with a big population.
and no one says it was all only because of dope, it surely helps to invest more like i already said and you can see with nations like uk this time or greece in athen and yes, gdr loved to throw money away just to be good in sports instead of investing it for more important stuff but that doesn't change the fact that a country can't compete with russia, china or usa if it is as big as denmark or so and doesn't use as much of the worst doping the world has ever seen like the gdr did. i'm from germany and i know what ex athletes said, so don't try to tell me it isn't true if ex athletes say they took the worst shit you can imagine to be better.
don't you understand a simple fact? if usa has 310 million population they have
1. much more potential athletes
2. they have to invest less per capita and still can invest much more. if usa invests one billion in facilities and whatever it is only $3 dollar per capita, if denmark would invest the same money they would have to invest much more per capita. so it is much less expensive for usa compared to the whole eco-system of a country than it is for a smaller country to get the same amount of medals.
just look at the medals and which country won most. just look at small countries and look in which sports they are good. a country like jamaica can win some medals but they just can't compete in every freaking competition as much as usa can, is that so hard to understand? if you specialize in one thing like jamaica you can have the best in that even if you are small but do you know how much jamaica would have to invest per capita to win let's say 50 medals? and if china will have the same wealth per capita the usa has, china won#t be beatable anymore but that will still take some time.
and if you feel like people want to downplay the success of russia because they are always so good, no one says they are a abd sports nation in reality, just that they would win some less medals if russia wouldn't have some big cities and would only have 10 million population. they would win maybe 20 medals then which would be still impressive but if you really believe russia would have won the same amount of medals like they did with only 5% of the population you are crazy.
