| bouzane said:
My point about the Jewish teachings was that they are not Christian, I thought that was obvious. |
Yes, it is obvious.
| Any Jewish teachings that Christ believed to be relevant he simply reiterated. Anything that was not relevant he did not. If everything that was taught before Christ was relevant to him and his philosophy then he would have supported dietary laws when he actually made statements to the contrary. If it wasn't a lesson taught by Christ, it isn't Christian. |
Nope. Anything that he did not clearly supercede with reason is biblical and as such word of God, and teaching of Christ. He endorsed all of the law and the prophets. However with respect to the law, Christ superceded it with true holiness. Read the new testament you'll understand. I won't comment any further on this we'll go over this offline if we have to.
As such, everything in the bible that Christ has not superceded with a clear reason is considered christian teaching. That's why christians read the law and the prophets, as well as the writings of the disciples of Christ. You will notice writers of the New Testament quoting Old Testament scripture quite regularly, as the example I gave you of Ephesians 5:31.
And that's appart from the teachings he reiterated, one of those being the one on marriage in Mark 10:7.
| So, because the "condemnation" of homosexuality has "the same source" as the teachings of Christ than they are as the teachings of Christ himself? I'm not buying it, at all. Not a statement made by Christ means that it is not Christian. |
Yes, unless they are superceded by a greater revelation. And that's besides those he reiterated word for word. It's a matter of fact that Christ quoted scripture because he believed it to hold the power of God (see his temptation in the desert).
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Again, the Church has absolutely no right to force its own, narrow definition of marriage upon anybody else under any circumstance. This is not a religious theocracy. We shouldn't be forced to obey their "moral" construct or anybody else's. |
Who said anything about forcing?? On the contrary it is the opposite lobby that is forcing it down everyone else's throat if this incident has any bearing on the matter. By God. The anti-christian sentiment is strong in this one. Why point fingers to the church in this matter and not to those for gay marriage? Why can they push their agenda and not those of christian belief? What hypocrisy, I despite it.
| Again, I want you to show me where Christ himself actually condemns same-sex marriage. Otherwise, there is little to no basis in Christianity to support the opposition to it. |
Through the apostle Paul animated by the spirit of Christ. Christianity is based off of old testament scripture, the teachings of Christ and the writings of the apostles. It doesn't matter whether Christ said it himself or not when it comes to christian doctrine.
| How do personal views, not based upon the teachings found in religious texts count as faith? I can not believe in anything I want, without any foundation whatsoever, and call it a legitimate faith. |
That's your prerogative, but I terribly disagree. A person does not need a religion to have a moral code, or a sense of belief. Both Christianity and atheism agree on this view.
| I can not understand how anything Christ says can be misconstrued into "oppose the ability of others to enjoy the same freedoms and rights as the general population". A few lines from the Old Testament certainly won't convince me otherwise. |
Why the quotation marks, I never said anything of the matter.
