Chik-Fil-A Gay Fallout

[happydolphin]

bouzane said:

happydolphin said:
To me a lot of this seems like opportunism. An opportunity to bash the christian view. It's one thing to disagree, another to step on people's rights and freedom to believe in their own morals.

I'm starting to hate this democracy.

But before I get really irritated, can someone bring up the facts I've read through the article and all I've found are claims but no quotes...

Show me where Christ condemned same-sex marriage or any aspect of homosexuality. Show me where he ever said anything that contradicted "treat thy neighbor as you would treat thyself". Stop calling the opposition to same-sex marriage Christian, it is inherently anti-Christian. Here are a couple fun facts about marriage. It's not a Christian institution, it's not even a religious one (so why is it that a group of Christians get to define it?). Traditional marriage didn't allow interracial marriage, was that really worth defending? Traditionally marriage treated the woman as property and wedlock was merely the exchange of goods to ensure exclusive sexual access to the newly acquired property. Are we not supposed to advance as a society?

@bold. When did I...

@underlined. That is a trick request. Christ never condemmed anyone.

"16“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,^f that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.^g 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”^h"

 

When Christ is confronted by the pharisees with the sin of Mary Magdalene, what does he say? You know it: "Let he who never sinned cast the first stone." But does that mean what Mary did was holy? After showing her grace and mercy ("neither do I condemn you. your sins are forgiven you"), he tells her "go and sin no more", as he should in his responsibility as lord and savior, and leader.

So though Christ condemns none, it does not mean that he does not condemn "any aspect of homosexuality" as you put it. The apostle Paul, the last of the apostles ("7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.") said of homosexuality that it is a practice that was against the will of God (paraphrased). If you want the verses I can give them to you, but don't ask me to do that. I've already done too much to answer your post that assumed so much about my PoV without asking, while I have many friends here that are of that lifestyle. To whoever's reading this, I do not condemn you. I love you. I'm sorry I have to say what I believe to give an answer...

@italics. How is that in line with anything the bible teaches? Marriage is a concept from our maker, as said in the book of genesis "What God has united let not man separate", and God intended marriage as a source of joy and companionship for Adam. ("It is not good for man to be alone, let us make him a helper, or read partner/companion", paraphrased). Jesus said that God allowed the jews to divorce via the Mosaic law due to the harness of their hearts (e.g. their rebellious and stubborn heart, unwilling to submit to the will of God). So God gave them the desires of their hearts. But He didn't want that, he wanted marriage and faithfulness. Jesus considered divorce and the exchange of partners adultery (in most cases), and did not want that. He wanted marriage, and union in all aspects for two people who loved each other.

To me marriage in the right and holy practice (ie love, faithfulness and courage) is progress. So is family, and everything it stands for. It's what I believe in.

@Interracial marriage. There are many cases of it in the bible, and some are the ancestors of Christ. Namely Ruth, King David's great grandmother, who was a moabitess and not a Jew.

And besides, I was asking for more details, not stating an opinion really, with the exception of when I said, and I paraphrase, that I sensed that there was a current of opportunism and stomping on freedom of faith in this mess, and I still think so until further evidence of the contrary is provided.