Shooting at Batman Premiere - 12 dead / Your opinions on gun laws

[vlad321]

insomniac17 said:

vlad321 said:

Your logic fails miserably, AGAIN. Show me how many massacres were actually prevented by someone with a gun. I can only vaguely, maybe, remember one that was stopped, not prevented, by someone with a gun. That's about it. I'm not even sure if I remember that correctly though.

To be fair, it is difficult to say just how often a gun wielding citizen has stopped a criminal from committing a crime, because we'll rarely hear about it. Similarly, we won't ever really know how often someone just flashing a gun to a criminal has stopped crime, because we won't hear about it. I'm not sure why you are distinguishing between stopping and preventing an incident; it would seem to me that in both cases, the law abiding citizen with a gun was the reason the massacre didn't happen. The massacres I hear about, such as this one, seem to always occur when there is no legal gun owner present, and obviously no cops or anything.

For everyone who wants a gun ban everywhere in the US; criminals could just go abroad to get guns. To everyone who wants a worldwide gun ban; good luck. It'd be great to live in a world with no guns, but that'll never happen.

For those of you who want to see permits for gun ownership, sure. I can live with that. I live in a state that requires you to get a permit if you want to conceal and carry a gun. The permit takes quite a while to get, and you have to go through a class about guns, gun safety, etc in order to get the permit, and I'm sure they check your background as well. You also need to be 21 or older. What I don't want to see is a requirement to register guns with the government.

Somehow I dooubt gun proponents will let a story along the lines of "armed citizen shoots/prevents heavily armed citizen_2 from a killing spree." Highly, highly, doubt it.

Stopping means that people have died and someone stopped it, prevent means no one has died. The distinction is pretty drastic and huge. I also can't rememebr many cases wehre either has happened to be stopped by a citizen with a gun.