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mrstickball said:
Chandler said:
Guns just don't belong in the hands of civilians. I mean, what's the point? Self defense? Yeah, right. All a gun does is make shit worse.


Switzerland disagrees with you.

i often read from us-americans fighting for their gun rights using switzerland as example just to show that many guns aren't the reason for higher crime rates, murder rates, whatever...then they often say "crime rates are lower nowadays in usa with same amount of weapons" forgetting that almost every developed country has a much lower murder or whatever rate than 20 years ago. just one question, have you ever been in switzerland? if yes, you should know why there doesn't happen so much in this country. we are talking here about people in america who as example lose their jobs becoming desperate and IF they have already a gun at home, it is a much easier step to do something stupid with it as if they would have to buy a weapon illegally to do something with it then. or junkies who need money and have a stolen weapon from the last burglary because yes, many who illegally have a wepon in usa have one stolen from someone who had it legally.they find the weapon in a drawer or so and take it then. i don't really want to know how many people died because a burglar stole a wepon at his last burglary using that some weeks later at another burglary. your right to self defence gives those people more possibilities to get those weapon for free because junkies don't really have money to buy a weapon. but stealing them in a house searching for some money? why not right?

and if i look at the last school massacres in germany, you know what was always the same? all of the kids had parents who where members of a weapon "club" owning weapons legally. in germany, everyone with a legal weapon has to have a weapon safe with a code or something like that and still, it happened more than once (a school massacre). can't believe people really believe they would have bought a wepon on the black market instead of using the weapon of the parents.

i wonder why people in countries were you can't buy a wepon as easy as in the usa don't feel the need to get these right to safe their own lifes. people in these countries should all want to get american laws if it comes to this but exactly these people don't like the american weapon law.