camaro52391 on 19 July 2012
I think that both the ps4 and x720 should release before holiday 2013, but we have heard nothing from sony or ms. I feel like a 2013 e3 reveal would be too late for a holiday 2013 release. And sony has stated that they don't wanna be late to the party. I also feel that holiday 2014 is too late.
So i'm gonna say late2013/early2014
