Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
bouzane said:
Slimebeast said:
It always comes down to Israel.
Israel is the big obsession of communists and muslims. Apart from the persecution of Jews throughout history, the hate towards Israel is by far the strongest in political history ever.
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Um, Evangelists seem to be just as obsessed with Israel as anybody else. Such a liability should not determine so much American legislation. Also, America's nuclear track record is one of, if not the single most irresponsible. As frightening as Iranian nukes would be, America's nuclear arsenal is far more dangerous to the people's of the earth.
Also, I must laugh at the concept of "Western freedom & secular democracy". I wish I lived in Russia where I would be free to buy a Saiga and smoke up. As far as democracy goes, it doesn't work. That's why America's founding fathers insisted upon a republic. Oh well, the religious right still gets to routinely impose their will upon the entire populace anyway :/
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As an evangelical myself I have no problem to admit I have an obsession with Israel though. And it's for supernatural reasons, based on Biblical prophecies, not some hypocritical quasi-ethical lies that the socialists put forth (and some people from the Arab world too, but in their defense; that's only for tactical reasons - to make the Israeli-Arab conflict appear as a human-rights issue in front of a naive Western world). I want Israel to win and to keep Jerusalem forever, and I know they will win no matter how much Satan and the world hates them.
American nukes are no threat to the world. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. What happened in the 40's is not relevant today.
The Mullah controlled Iran is an entrely different issue. Their hate towards Israel, and like Kasz described, in a desperate situation that nuclear threat would be a very serious threat. Then there's the risk of smaller dirty bombs. It's not wild fantasies to imagine a nuclear Iran sell primitive dirty bombs to Hizbollah to use against Israel. Such a scenario could hurt Israel a lot and with Israel's hands pretty tightly tied politically it wouldn't be that easy for them to retaliate if they wouldn't have clear evidence (and the world would blame them anyway).
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Israel's hands are tied? Israel has carte-blanche to do whatever it damn well pleases: war crimes against the Gaza strip or slowly strangling the West Bank while bids for statehood get shut down by the West, or shooting up ships full of perfectly peaceful activists and getting off scot-free. No other country in the world is able to get away with what Israel gets away with, not even America, and it's all due to some combination of misplaced Holocaust guilt and racism (given that Israel fights the scary brown people). Israel with nuclear weapons (which they have, and nobody has batted an eye about) is just as scary as Iran with nuclear weapons (which people think would be apocalyptic or something)
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I know your perspective and I agree that to some extent and in some scenarios they get away with more than others would. But it's also the other way around. Look at the shitstorm from the Gaza invasion, almost no one in our European media even told the audience that the reason for the invasiona was thousands of rockets fired from terrotist Hamas into Israel over many years.
The flotilla incidents, we could argue over that all day. It was a political provocation by leftist extremists poorly disguised as a humanitarian mission. It was Israel's duty to send a strong message. IMO Israel would have had the right to sink the ships as soon as they passed into Israeli waters (I know they didn't, because Israel took care of them in their security zone, but if they did, which was the flotilla's intention anyway).
"Scary brown people", that's ridiculous. You know Jews are just as brown as Arabs, right?
Israel nukes is a special case, I admit that. There's not any international pressure on Israel to reveal their nukes, but I understand that perfectly with so many enemies around them. But they're not very scary. Cold war scary but not Iran scary.
