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Andrespetmonkey said:
Slimebeast said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

@Bolded All of the big 3 have their vocal minorities who'd be considered "fanboys," I think it's unfair the way you 1: dictate when quality is or isn't there and 2: group all Sony fans into the sony fanboy group. I would consider myself a Sony fan, or rather a Playstation fan (among other platforms), but that doesn't mean I blindly love everything a first party studio develops and I'm fanatical about all things Sony. 

 Why does John Marston "slay these characters"? I'm interested in this, I mean I just finished Undead nightmare and I can't get enough of Marston, but I find this an odd thing to say. As good as Marston is (or most RS protagonists for that matter), I don't see how Joel can be seen as a lesser character yet. We don't know that much about the characters in TLOU and what we do know and we've seen has indicated nothing less than fleshed out and intriguing imo. 

I might present it in a brutish way, but it's my opinion that right now with The Last of Us we see a lot of fanboy-based overrating and praise going on. I wish I could express it in a more elegant way. I do not say Sony fans or any fans love and praise everything from their respective companies, but they overrate it. 

Lol... here's a quote from you: "Sony fans praise everything from Sony" So which is it? You're making contradictory posts.

That's a key element in being a fan or fanboy.

John Marston's character has so many elements of a great character. Elements that generally speaking appeal to a lot of people. He is extremely charismatic, has perfect portions of warmth, sympathy, nastyness, irony and humour, among other character feats. Much like Nathan Drake.

I think you're over-rating both Marston and Drake here, but I appreciate the explanation of your opinion.

Joel seems to be the opposite.

Why? I find his character really interesting, he's the opposite to the typical action hero. He isn't there to save the day, he's a "violent thug, a brutal killer and a tortuer," yet he is our protagonist, and this is isn't in a light-hearted game like GTA or Saint's row where this isn't a big deal, this is a game with a very serious and bleak tone. That alone makes him a very compelling character to me, and ironically he shares similarities with John Marston. From what we've seen, his voice actor is doing a good job, too.



You bring up excellent stuff about Joel's character possibly being interesting after all. He might be the silent hero, slightly up-tight and stiff but still mostly down-to earth and humble, serious but still non-pretentious. And that's an appealing character type too.

But from what we've seen one can interpret also the possibility of a very serious and know-it-all jerk without any kind of self-criticism, humor or blink in the eye.