Mating Turtles Fossilized

[happydolphin]

superchunk said:

happydolphin said:

superchunk said:
lol I don't see how this find of a bunch of dead mating turtles in any way is for or against evolution. That's just stupid. (yes I read the article)

Of course there was some event that killed a bunch of them at the same time and it must have been mating season. But to use this to prove/disprove any theories is just dumb fanboy-like behavior.

lol at this having anything to do with any biblical story lol (I am Muslim and do think a large flood of some type happened at some point).

He's just saying, that the scientific community is having a difficult time explaining it because in the scientific community at present fossilization is usually during a process of non instant death (like a sick animal dying). To involve cataclysm is a difficult step for the community because the flood proponents hold that position.

It's just human nature that's all.

The explanations are challenged by regular folks (non-religious), like the quotes show at the end of the article. The fossils that display actions (like eating and mating) pose an ongoing problem in the question of "how did it happen?".

bullshit.

I read about these turtles a week ago and the scientific article said specifically that they all new it had to be a quick event and I know I've read about other fossilization fields with the same cause.

I think the article author is just grasping and straws and wrote a biased article that is starting with false information.

Dude, relax. If I'm wrong just say so, no need to use the big words.

I understood it from the quote he gave, he never said so himself...

As Joyce told LiveScience, “the chances of both partners dying while mating are extremely low, and the chances of both partners being preserved as fossils afterward even lower.”4 (To Discovery News Joyce said that “the chances of both partners dying at the same time is highly unlikely and the chances of both partners being preserved afterwards even less likely.”6 (Emphasis added.)

and then:

‘There really is no reason to enter the fossil record while you are mating.’—Paleontologist Walter Joyce, University of Tübingen, Germany, 20 June 2012.

The scientific explanations afterwards account for quick event fossilization iiuc:

In the case of these turtles, the scenario favoured by Joyce and his colleagues is that the turtles were preserved in a volcanic lake. “The mating turtles tell us that the surface waters of Messel Lake were hospitable enough to allow turtles to live and mate, but that animals would die accidentally when they sank during mating into relatively shallow, poisonous subsurface layers,” said Joyce.2 “Many animals enter a trance-like state when mating or laying eggs, and it is possible that these turtles simply did not notice that they were entering poisonous waters before it was too late.”2

But then, why not the possibility of the usual cementation that is explained by the proponents of the flood? That's kind of a more fanboyish approach there I'd think, to refuse an option because it's too much like one position that some don't agree with.