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k, the sigh is not necessary, and it just goes to show. I understand the lack of time, but when that leads to "I don't have time for this" kind of attitude, that's where I have a problem. Maybe I'm wrong about you, but I've seen this with others and I have no more patience for snobbism so pardom me if I'm overly sensitive.
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happydolphin said: How is that acceptable in a forum? Oh I love exchanging ideas. My problem is lack of time. Go through my post history and you'll see this is the first time I've ever even uttered the word "spam" on the boards - you'll also notice a long string of healthy discussion where I'm very open to the thoughts and ideas of others. I'm also more of a discusser of games than anything else like politics, religion, or website discussion stuff. I've also tried to ease off some of my off-topic posting as of late with the only string of off-topic posts I've made being in the "Post Your Mind" thread. |
It was my understanding that I had from the idea of "this is my definition and that's that" kind of remark. And I'm paraphrasing, but that's how it came across to me at least. I understand you're out of time, but it doesn't make sense to engage a topic without actually engaging. And that's the deal, that some people are more engaged, and spin like a dradel into the discussion because they are passionate about it, and that's seen as spammy, obnoxious or overbearing (I've heard these words spoken about me, not by you but by some others).
here, read this shit:
| Mr Khan said: If you weren't on Rol's ignore list, you'd get quite the thrashing |
Came from this thread -> http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=145126
I have to deal with this kind of shitty bullying. Not cool.
If I'm wrong on this, then my bad. But if you're trying to prove that our current convo is just a waste of time because you don't have the time or the patience to talk about it, then there's an issue.
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I understand that you consider it mundane or needlessly repetitive, but you still don't realize the point I'm making, the other side of the coin, and that's what makes this frustrating for me and for everyone in this thread interested in the topic. Alot of people just don't want to read what other people have to say, and that gets considered spam. A lot of people don't want to read pointless things that add nothing to the conversation - not actual astute discussion. Take NinPie's response to my post. That could easily have gone on my wall. It adds nothing to this topic. Was he baited? Yes, and quite purposely so, which is why I'm not knocking him for that post. But strings of off-conversation like that are occurring more commonly in threads these days and it puts a drag on people who just want to get to the point. That is the spam to which I'm referring. You seem to want to incidentally associate me with certain actions to make a point, but that's your prerogative. |
No, I don't want to associate you to anything wrongfully. If I am doing so, it's because I'm mistaken, and if I'm wrong I'll be willing to admit. But understand with the way things are on the forums these days, that's how I understood you. And if it isn't you, it's happening elsewhere (see Montana's post earlier making fun of some of us). I love Montana, but that is not cool. People made fun of me in the Mafia threads for being too active. Rol bullied me till I wanted to choke, thankfully I'm still here, he's the one that ended up going away (serves him right). Khuutra barely posts and totally ignores me. Why? Because I'm opinionated?
So, my posts are considered spam just because I'm more active and more opinionated. That's an issue. And if that wasn't you, then my bad really.
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I understand you have your own definition and its not to be challenged (iiuc), but that doesn't make sense in a forum. After all, we're here to exchange ideas. And that's what I did, only to imitate a dradle soon after.
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See? You sure did exchange ideas. Was it to imitate a dradle? Certainly not! This is an issue, even if I'm wrong to say you are part of it, the issue clearly exists. Many threads have been locked for cause of "Lack of content", when the OPs were clearly worked on hard. Other people are snobbing and just no longer participating because they can't be bothered, we see it happening every day. This convo is not spam, and if you think so, it really proves my point.
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I can understand that people don't like to argue, but where do you draw the line? Where is it just some guy not wanting to talk and driving down discussion, and when is it another that just wants to talk too much and drives discussion on too far? That's what I'm saying - you can't define that line because everyone has their own line. If a general line IS defined, it will only be challenged. Right now the defined line is what the mods personally feel is spam. There have been bans based on those views and people have complained in opposition of the act as well as the lack of being proactive. If the line is pushed one way or the other, there will simply be more discussion on where the line should be and the cycle will continue. This particular topic is beyond the discussion but you've seemed to have extended me saying that to mean "I am beyond all discussion" to antagonize me in the eyes of those reading this discussion. Again, that's your prerogative. |
Again, I don't mean to antagonize you in the eyes of anybody, it's how I feel and yes, I may be mistaken. But I want to bring it up because it affects me and the forum, and it is definitely on topic, as those who hold that attitude falsely consider certain posts to be spam, and they would be wrong. It is entirely linked to OP, if pezus' view on this convo has any bearing. After all, he did create the OP, so it must touch a point he considers relevant. Either way, reading the OP again this really is on topic. It pertains to this question specifically: "What is 'spam' and where is the line between a prolific poster and a spammer?"
The fact that you and others judge posts as spammy affects the community, so to say the mods draw the line is pure BS. Do you realize that community are also self-moderated by the opinions of the posters. If posters tell themselves "Oh, that guy is so spammy", or "that guy is always spammy", what do you think the others will think when they read/see that? How do you think that will affect how such posters react to posts by said spammer? So no, your point is horribly wrong.
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And that is also part of the topic of spam, because that predisposition could cause someone to consider one thing mundane over another because maybe said person either doesn't like to argue, or said person does not like having their views challenged. I think it's more that someone doesn't want to rephrase the same argument again. I called the posts not adding anything to discussion as "mundane" but I'm not surprised to see you twisting my words again. |
I'm not twisting your words, if I misread then I am sorry it was not my intent. I understood you to think that this is repetition, or that my quoting and arguing your post was repetition, and that such repetition was mundane. As such, I disagree because there were points where my views differed from yours, and I challenged your view, and being in a forum, as such, my expectation was that you rise to the challenge and defend your views, as well as challenge mine. That's exactly what happened, hence why I starkly disagree with your perspective and notion that this is all repetition.
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See, my guess is, you're telling yourself "I don't want to talk to this idiot anymore", even though what I'm saying makes sense. You just don't want to hear it, and consider it repetition, when in fact its at the heart of OP. Some people say some things are spam when they aren't, and that's been happening ALOT lately, what with old members thinking they are the shit and can talk/look down on other peoples' posts (don't worry I've had my share of bullying here). But in doing that, it causes you or others to consider things that are spam when actually it's the "I don't want to talk to you" attitude that is the problem, and it provokes the "Talk to me!" attitude in reply. Nope, that's not what I'm thinking at all. But it fits in perfectly with your seemingly constant antagonizing of me in this discussion (the term argument has harsh undertones - this has been civil in relative terms). And if you're claiming I'm an old member, I'm actually not that old. Last year was pretty much my first year and I've spent about a full 4 months completely inactive on this account since I've started it. Heck, look at my posts for the last 3 months. I don't know why you keep thinking I don't like discussion. I merely pointed out that the string of posts caused by my spam post are what is making many unhappy with this whole spamming thing in general. It's a string of needless posts that people don't want to wade through in order to get to the really good content. It's generally stuff that should be kept to the walls. |
Again, I don't want to antagonize you. If I'm wrong, then spell it out and I will be proven wrong, as simple as that. I'll be a little butthurt, but that's part of the idea of shaking your frame of mind. Okay, so I was wrong to think that. Great! I feel less stupid.
I'm not claiming you're an old member, I realize you're a 2010 (though I remember you having an alt I just can't remember how old it was 2009?), but I mean to say that I saw a similar pattern with some of the older members that have acted snobby lately, but maybe that's just because you're busy with school. Still, it should lead to the notion of "I'd like to answer this but I'm too busy to reply" rather than "this is all repitition and I have no time for this". See the difference?
See, @ bold, I'm not sure if you're talking about our convo, or about the little "Good job tad" 's and whatnot. Can you clarify here please?
Then you go on to say: "It's a string of needless posts that people don't want to wade through in order to get to the really good content." To me, what you and I are discussing right now IS the really good content. But that's ME!
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It is a bad thing for a forum imho. A forum deserves members who are and want to be engaged in discussion, and any contrary attitude to me leads to calling things spam when they are not. Keywords being "engaged in discussion". What I called spam wasn't really "discussion" was it? |
Again, be specific. Are you talking about my reply or the other smaller posts that were just flattering you?
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"There really isn't any discussion to be had" I've heard this before, but it sounded like "and that's all there is to it", or "end of story". Well, my question is, who died and made you boss? In other words, if there are things left to be said or answered, LET THEM BE SAID. I'm not the boss. I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself. I'm just saying that even if a line is drawn there will be debate. Just look at the "sexy avatar" issue we had a few months back. Strict rules were defined and those rules were bent. Then they were readjusted to peoples' dismay. Then they were pulled back again. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of that discussion either. |
It's not about rules Tads... It's about collective consensus. We all should learn to respect each other and be open to each others' opinions, and learn from each other. That's the line that needs to be bent. Away with the "I'm above this or that guy" attitude, I want it done away with.
How do I do that personally? By challenging you and others like I'm doing right now. To avoid people defining things as spam when they clearly aren't, and encourage people to take a committed attitude to posting rather than a "this guy is annoying me I don't need to answer him anymore" when a guy is just trying to make sense of things.
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It's a forum after all. Actually, much worse than spam posts, I think THIS is the real issue. Otherwise, we would have good members posting more and reducing the frequency of other members, and that would look better. Plus, some of such members have alot to share, alot of great insight, but they keep it too themselves because they can't be bothered to talk to morons. amiright? Actually I think it's more a matter of lack of time. At least, it is for me. |
I can understand lack of time, I have no problem with that. Again, as long as it leads to "I want to answer but have no time" rather than "this is just repetition, I have no time for this". HTH
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Finally, you seem more adament on arguing that your first response to me wasn't spam than you do arguing what does and doesn't constitute to spam. |
No, they are one and the same. My post was an example of something people consider spam when it isn't, a case in point of exactly what I'm debating with you right now, and further proof to me that you were snobbing, something it would help if you helped eradicate right now.
Because, yes, not only did that annoy me alot, but it was completely in line with an issue that hits home with me, as I've been badgered by others on this forum for this particular issue, I hope you can understand.
