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zarx said:
Slimebeast said:

World of Tanks
LOTR Online
Battlefield Heroes
Heroes of Newerth
Tribes

+ a myriad of Asian MMORPGs


Haven't played world of tanks

LOTRO isn't really a competitive game it just has some PvP arenas where you don't even play your character

BF Heroes is prety terrible I admit, tho I wouldn't call it successful

nether HoN or Tribes is really pay to win in the traditional sense, I don't consider faster unlocks pay to win. I would consider pay to win something like having the most powerful weapons pay only or the ability to buy stat boosts that you can't earn ingame. 

Yes, there are different levels of pay to win, and the definitions vary.

When I say pay to win I want to describe the phenomenon where by paying you get an advantage withinin the game in regards to gameplay in some form. Stuff that simply makes the experience smoother and easier. It could be an advantage in relation to other players but it can also be an advantage in your individual progress but when I said Pay to win I didn't just mean getting higher on the PvP leader boards. You could say that "winning" is not just achieved by beating other human players, "winning" is also beating tasks in the game.

I don't think we will see having the most powerful weapons be pay only. People get too upset with that and publishers aren't that stupid. That's not what I am talking about. Microtransactions are much smarter than that.

Faster unlocks is milder but still it's pay to win. It's not paying to become the absolute top dog but it certainly is paying to become competitive faster, and the time released by paying you can use to become competitive.

As an example, I recently saw that you could pay around 50 Euros to unlock all the weapons and vehicles in BF3. For me it was very tempting and I would sure buy those unlocks if I decided to jump into BF3 as it takes a very long time to unlock all that stuff by just playing. Clearly this would save me from not getting an embarrassing K/D ratio. (Yes I know BF3 is not F2P but the principle is the same).