| Dgc1808 said: I really want to see some evidence to the idea that SCE as a whole from the beginning is in the red because of the PS3. I do not believe that. |
Saw Nikkom's post however I am going to carry on anyway as doing it in dollars I feel leaves room for error as Sony is of course Japanese. Also as the chart has no source I am unsure where the information for FY2008 onwards comes from as the game division itself wasn't visible.
Okay so here we go. Format is the same as before. Millions of yen, brackets losses etc. A FY is from the 1st of april to the 31st of march the next year. So for example FY2005 is April 2005 to March 2006.
Also I found that actually FY1995 is available. Given that the game division was still turning a loss then I think it is safe to say FY1994 was most definitely also a loss and earlier than that would be quite considerable losses as they would only be R&D with no revenue.
FY1995 - (8,938)
FY1996 - 57, 045
FY1997 - 116,936
FY1998 - 136,500
FY1999 - 76,935
FY2000 - (51,118)
FY2001 - 82,915
FY2002 - 112,653
FY2003 - 67,578
FY2004 - 43,170
FY2005 - 8,748
FY2006 - (232,325)
FY2007 - (124,526)
FY2008 - (58,500)
FY2009 - (53,174)
FY2010 - 10,817
FY2011 - (94,374)
Up to FY 2008 when it is purely game division = 227,073 million yen - FY 1994 & PS1 R&D.
Up to FY 2011 when it joins CP&S = 90,342 million yen - FY 1994 & PS1 R&D
I think interesting thing is you can clearly see the effect of PS3 R&D costs towards the end of the PS2 lifetime. Also I should mention I haven't ever seen anyone claim that the PS3 wiped out all profits ever. Only ever the claim that it wiped out all PS2 era profits.
If NikkoM can find a source for his chart in dollars for the Fy2008 and on then that would be great. As is it does seem likely that so far over the course of the entire Sony Game division operating income has come out to pretty much 0.
EDIT: want to add that up to 2007 NikkoM's chart does seem accurate so it is possible that 2008 onwards are also accurate. Of course the issue is that given up to 2007 is easy to find publically it would of course be accurate, whereas 2008 on is seemingly harder to find.
Second edit: FY2008 was available on a slide in IR - financial information - Sony group - Presentation slides 08. Have updated accordingly.
