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[Slimebeast]

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Slimebeast said:

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

No, I never said that. My OP applies to a non-determined universe as well.

Change it to "there is no free will" instead of "everything is pre-determined". The implication is still the same.

Just because there is no free will that doesn't mean that the world must be pre-determined.

A person cannot choose what to want, even if the world is random.

IIIIITheOneIIII, as much as you have thought and meditated on these things, I thought you would be familiar with the potential confusions associated.

My point was obviously that human's have no free will (according to the logic you presented in the OP among other threads).

Nearly all philosophical discussions on the topic of free will also touch the topic of determination, so it's not that strange that I happened to (mistakenly) use the determinism approach instead of the free-will angle. But in this particular case it doesn't change anything (because morals cease to exist from lack of free will as well as from determinism). My point still stands.