What happens if ObamaCare is overturned?

[Kasz216]

 

Mr Khan said:

Kasz216 said:

 

Except it isn't....

 

individual people who don't buy health insurance drive up the costs of healthcare in individual companies which in turn effects companies..

If a solo man doesn't pay his hosptial bill at Mercy General... that only effects Mercy General.

If you want to argue aggregate. 

EVERY market works that way.

Individual peole not buying certain food products inavariably drive up the prices of different companies food prices in aggregate... raising the prices.

If all the people who buy cars now decide not too...  they would drive up the prices of all the car companies in aggregate... raising the prices

 

Your trying to cobble together a bunch of arguements with holes in them and create a circle of justification that doesn't actually have a point that doesn't have a huge gaping hole in it.

Well, unless you think it's constituional for congress pass laws saying everything we can do.

The only hole is that the individual mandate is necessary to enable companies to not deny coverage without having to hike prices through the roof, which is where the circular logic comes from, and inevitably morals are injected into the equation. In order to preserve the market as it stands, and to amend it in this manner (and none would argue that forcing companies to not deny business to certain individuals based on circumstances these individuals cannot control isn't the purview of the government), then the individual mandate is necessary under the commerce clause.

It  is as you said, the only problem here is that this is not necessarily the way that the government has to enforce universal healthcare access, but it is the way to do so to insure the endurance of insurance companies, which amounts more to market interventionow does making 50 thousand goofy unconstituional laws

Ok, lets say the "can't refuse" part of law is consitutional.   (Though please, provide precedent... keep in mind of actual negative aspects, not like race in which there is literally no difference.)

Why wouldn't insurance companies just charge those people more as they are in fact, bigger risks?

If ANYTHING I'd say that doesn't give congress the power to inact everything else that's clearly unconstituional.

Instead it allows only the "Can't refuse part" and if you grant congress price fixing underneath "regulating commerce".

All that does is completely destroy health inusrance.

A grim result... but one the government created...

and could create with any insurance.

It's the best argument you've had yet, except your trying to compare actual negatives that effect the cost of something, with cosmetic differences that don't effect cost.