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Kasz216 on 22 June 2012
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spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Flanneryaug said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
I wouldn't put it past the Republicans. They tried it with Clinton, and that was only a midterm election year, having him under impeachment would be a good way to throw the election in their favor, whether or not he or Holder acted wrongly.

Whether or not he acted wrongly?  Congress demanded files from the attorney general.

He refused.

That's wrong, and it's been grounds for contempt of congress on both sides of the aisle and has been used by both sides... well the last two presidents.

Not that it amounts to anything... since you know.  the discetion to prosecute Eric Holder would fall to the Attorney General.  Seems like somebody missed a loophole on that one...

Also... impeachment hearings HELPED clinton and boosted his approval rating, not sure why you'd think this would be any different.

You need to do some research. They demanded documents from Eric Holder that he would have to break the law to give to them. Also, the documents that they want have nothing to do with the death of the agent, and are from after his death. Also, why havent they brought in the former Attorney General that actually started this program? It is clearly political.

No he wouldn't....

it's actually the exact opposite.

Congress has a right to any documents it supeonas.

Obama used exectuive priveledge to cover Holders ass after he refused to give up the information in the first place... because it'd be an embarrsing scandal that could hurt him politically.

Also.  Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal#2009.E2.80.932011:_Operation_Fast_and_Furious

Actually it was started by bush continued by obama. So really you are right and wrong at the same time.

Bush was President in 2009?

That's when Fast and Furious started.


"Gunwalking" programs started under Bush.  Fast and Furious didn't.

The main issue with Fast and Furious was that the let the illegal guns float around to try and follow them back to "main people".

The plan under Bush, Wide Receiver... what would happen is the ATF would sell guns to straw sellers, and notify the Mexican police where the straw sellers were, then bust the straw sellers and buyers at the very first time they did something illegal.

 

While under Obama they started a new plan.  F&F.  Here they planned to target the whole system instead of just taking out the buyers like under Bush.   So they sold the weapons to straw sellers... then let the straw sellers sell the guns illegally, rather then having the mexican government bust the people buying the guns and making sure the guns never got in the gangs hands.  They kept the sales going, trying to get guns throught the network... as people were being killed by those very guns.

To explain the main difference between the Bush program and the Obama one... i'll qoute wikipedia.

"Their standard Project Gunrunner training was to follow the straw purchasers to the hand-off to the cartel buyers, then arrest both parties and seize the guns. They watched guns being bought illegally and stashed on a daily basis, while their supervisors, including David Voth and Hope MacAllister, prevented the agents from intervening"

Tons of people were killed by these guys... the guns being used in hundreds of crimes..and the only reason the ATF stopped the project was because a border patrol agent had been killed.

 

Unlike under Bush, where every sale was stopped the minute it was illegal.