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endimion said:

I saw that yesterday  http://dvice.com/archives/2012/06/hands-on-new-xb.php 

so it confirms what I thought it will be seemless connection through wi-fi for the smartglass...

but to go back on your debate.... you are assuming that the casual part of the Wii crowd will be in for the WiiU that's where I have my doubts.... I have no problem admitting it is a nice product in line with nintendo tradition and a lot of gamers and nintendo fans will be on board and therefor the WiiU will be probably successful.... but that pad and the graphic bump up won't be enough IMHO to stimulate the craze you had in the casual market for the Wii and the motion control.... they might switch later on but by then the other players (sony/MS) will be on the market too.... I doubt WiiU will have the success and jump in sales over Sony and MS they did this gen..... unless they do a massive add campaign and even then.... I don't see the appeal they can incure toward that crowd....especially with that name.... we are talking about casuals will they even realise WiiU is a new product.... I mean I know tons of casual that have no interest in gaming more than the couple games they have that still don't really know the diff between a PS3 or PS2 or even XB at some point playstation was almost a generic term in the casual market.... ask gamestop employees when they have momies coming in to buy games for the kids.....

we'll see but I have very little faith on the fact that the amount of casual that got into gaming this gen will switch to next gen that easily.... and I also think that for MS if marketed right win8 phones, tablets and the next XB could end up more appealing to that crowd because of the cross compatibility.... don't forget that a company like MS will be pushing their eccosystem on more than just the gaming side of thing within 2 years.... that might play this time arround....

I'm not saying MS will take the crown.... but I think their is definately a lot of unknown on where the casual crowd will go and when.....and that's also why I think something like smartglass is a really smart move from MS.... 

I can't argue much with this post, and the tablet point at the end is a good one, they are massively owned, so it's a good platform to tap into.

Ultimately, we have two different opinions as to how successful the WiiU will be, but knowing Nintendo, I truly believe they will surprise many people, as their success is always counter-intuitive.

Then again, when it comes to the actual debate, I think we've come full circle to say that the last thing the SG does is making the WiiU pad irrelevant, they are two very different market propositions, each with their strengths and weaknesses.

I enjoyed this discussion and let's hold onto our seats as we watch the gen go along with excitement (as usual ).