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badgenome on 12 June 2012
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happydolphin said:
badgenome said:

You seem to be engaged in some goalpost moving here. No one said Nintendo isn't making ANY push for core gamers. You did say they were making a "big" push. If they want to make a big push for core gamers, they need to either moneyhat big exclusives left and right or produce first party games that are appealing to core gamers. Simply saying, "Yeah, we're getting some games, whatever, and here's a controller we made for you, and maybe our online won't suck this time, I dunno, we'll see," isn't going to cut it. A big part of the reason Nintendo is on course to find itself left out in the cold once the PS4/Nextbox launch isn't just because of any technological disparity that will make it more work to put those games on their system, but because they don't seem at all interested in courting core gamers who aren't already Nintendo fans. All the games that were smash hits on the Wii were ones that followed Nintendo's own lead, while the ones that tried to bring "mature content" to the Wii failed pretty miserably. If Nintendo wants to change the existing dynamic, they will have to do it themselves.

This is a fantastic post.

I will disagree on a few minor points:

1) It's not that Nintendo isn't interested, I just believe they really are that incompetent when it comes to attracting the core.

2) I believe 3rd party mature exclusives are important, as well as 1st party mature content. However, the baseline is to at least have all the multi-plats. They didn't even show that at E3. They showed some, but the baseline was not there.

On 2), I agree that Nintendo really failed with the 1st party mature content. Exclusives is less of a bomb, we get ZombiU and Amored Edition, as well as Rayman Legends (don't tell me that's not core after all the gaga PS360 owners went on Origins, plox).

They aren't incompetent, though! Or at least they weren't always. They just need to listen when people tell them what they want. If they had ended their E3 with F-Zero U instead of the F U that was Nintendoland, the entire internet would be writing the obituaries for Playstation and Xbox.

I guess I can't really say about Rayman. On the one hand, Origins didn't sound like it sold all that great (but I haven't seen any reliable numbers). On the other, Ubi said it was profitable for them. All I know is, I liked Origins well enoguh, but what they showed of Legends looked atrocious to me. The gimmicks seemed so forced, and I didn't really get the rhythm part at all. It's probably not even going to be an exclusive given Ubi's weasel language. All in all, the third party content so far has been unimpressive.

They absolutely needed to get a lot of multiplatform titles as a bare minimum, and they seem to be doing that for now. But if you are a Nintendo fan who thinks third parties are always out to screw over Nintendo or a core gamer who is shy of buying a Nintendo console because they always get such lousy support, why would you have any confidence that things have really changed?