Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

[Khuutra]

mrstickball said:

Khuutra said:

God that style is hard to quote. Anyway.

1. We don't know anything about how Nintendo is packaging the console. We don't even know if it's coming with a Wiimote. You are basing this hypothesis on the existence of hardware bundling that has not even been outlined yet.

2. The Wii did not have the same titles that the 360 and PS3 did, and even where it had equivalent, all the content would have had to be rebuilt specifically for the Wii, which actually does cost money. If developers can release DLC on the Wii U with scaled same assets that they used on the 360/PS3/720/PS4, then there is precious little reason not to, regardless of whether or not Wii U's userbase buys a ton of DLC. The added cost just isn't that high.

3. You did so here:

As for the argument of "If people want DLC, they will go to any lengths to get it". That is very, very wrong. If that were true, then no publisher would bother with marketing, press releases, or anything to notify users of DLC, its availability, or work with online services to push and promote downloadable content. Additionally, there are tons of white papers/sources out there that will state time and time again that users are far more likely to purchase content, or purchase a downloadable title if they are aware of it. Self-discovery is very over-rated in the digital world, and marketing is still key.

I was talking about memory, you switched it to mindshare. That transition was all you, even ignoring how you misrepresented the argument.

Dismissive of online gaming? Nonsense. It's quite important. But the points on which you exaggerate? Those stand. DLC will not determine the console war. It may well correlate with it, I allow - but it will not be the primary cause. To pretend so is folly.

1. Every Wii U I saw / played on at E3 had a Wiimote.  Given production lead times between now and a likely release date of November, its very unlikely that Nintendo can call many audibles to change the manufacturing/packaging process at this time. Heck, look at how long it took Microsoft to address some soldering on the 360 when they started getting the RROD. It took nearly a year of losses before they could fix the problem due to lead time and implementation. SD cards are a much easier fix, but it does take time to produce, manufacture, and bundle anything with a console, even an SD card.

2. Again, if revenues from DLC on the Wii U are small compared to Microsoft/Sony's next systems, then developers and publishers aren't going to focus on the Wii U, because they know the money won't be there. That will be a huge problem for Nintendo.

3. They go hand in hand. I'm trying to present very likely scenarios as to how users acquire content, and the problems that a lack of memory present. Lets say a percentage of users simply download content organically. That is, they simply see its available on the market, and purchase it because they know its available. Call them "Casual" purchasers of content. If they have insufficient space, then its likely they won't go out of their way to purchase an SD card, and they never convert on the content. Even if that percentage is low - say 25%, that will likely mean hundreds of millions of dollars in unrealized revenues for publishers and developers. That's my point. If a developer can make a game on "Console A", sell it for $50 and will make an average of $3 in additional content sales, do you think he'll promote that as much as the same title on "Console B" which sells for $60, and will make an average of $12 in additional content sales?

1. This assumes Nintendo would necessarily announce the hardware bundling as soon as they made plans for it; we know that they don't.

2. Nintendo doesn't need "focus". Nintendo just needs parity, which is affordable and likely. More, you have not actually managed to qualify why lacking DLC would be such a huge problem.

3. Sorry, I remain unconvinced by your non-statistics. The repeated use of the word "likely" in these imaginary scenarios just doesn't blow my skirt up.

You are basing your entire argument on a series of conjecture that doesn't support itself. The very most fundamental part of it, that a lack of DLC will cause the Wii U's downfall, has not yet been sufficiently argued for.