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It never ceases to amaze me when people try and use the whole, "Sony and MS sell their consoles at a loss, so they care about the customer" line. Give me a break. They sell it at a loss because they're limited by prior agreements within their conglomorates as to whom they can outsource production of parts to preventing them from finding the cheapest bidder out of the sea of possible contractors like Nintendo can. One of the biggest contributing factors to the PS3's price is that very little of its parts are outsourced at all. And with both lacking any clue as how to make gaming inovative (aside from turning console gaming more and more into PC gaming) they simply compete the only way they know how by making bigger and ever more graphically outlandish systems that have to be sold at a loss or else the consumer won't buy them. And God forbid a company make a profit of any kind off the console, darn that Nintendo. Because you know, Sony and MS are non-profit charities.