| Kantor said: We're not arguing; we're debating. This is exactly the sort of thing that the site needs. 1) That will always really be left to the moderator in question. You can't just say to somebody "be strict", because that's an empty statement. As you say later on, there's a lot of discretion involved. 2) Perhaps we could have a subforum for elimination threads, or forum games in general (so Mafia could go there as well) 3) This can work for smaller games. Mass Effect 3, as things go, is a fairly small game on this website. Compare that to Last of Us. Even with a 5000 post limit (100 pages), it will be damned near impossible to find anything within that thread. What happens if you want to discuss multiplayer and, a couple of days earlier, the topic has switched to DLC? With a game the size of TLOU, that would probably mean 200-300 posts between you and the last multiplayer discussion. Many people may disagree with me here, but my main problem with NeoGAF (other than the prevalent trolling and superior attitude) is just how quickly every thread grows. There's never any discussion because your post gets buried within minutes and every thread reaches 10 pages. It's just full of people making one-line posts that will never be read unless they're on the first couple of pages and then leaving. I don't think it's ever good for a community to have threads that large. 4) I think I can freely say that Maxwell was a terrible moderator, and he wasn't promoted through the usual avenues. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did on the moderation team. If you have a problem with a moderator, you contact that moderator or you contact axumblade, and if he doesn't think you have a valid grievance, then you don't have a valid grievance. From personal experience, you get far more complaints from people who are clearly guilty than from people who are even questionable. 5) It would be nice if you could give an example of what constitutes trolling and would not currently be moderated. 6) It's 1MB already. Much smaller than that, and you can't really have a GIF at all. But I agree that we need a formal measure for maximum sig length. I think point 3 is the most important one here. Points 1, 4 and 5 are more or less the same thing, and points 2 and 6 are minor issues. |
Point 2 is one of the ones I care about most fervently, and 1, 4, and 5 are different aspects of the same issue, but all of them need to be addressed in turn.
1. Comes with the assumption that there is a certain amount of holding back, of hemming and hawing about what is or isn't trolling. If you have to ask, chances are pretty decent that it is. So make with the punching? It's about discretion. I'm asking that the mods lean more toward death than they have before.
2. If they have to continue then yes, putting them in a completely separate sub-forum is almost entirely necessary. No default putting it in hot topics, either. This is something that needs to be available strictly to people who want to see it, so that people aren't driven away by drivel.
3. NeoGAF isn't actually my model forum here, though I haven't mentioned that much in this thread. It would be the Penny Arcade forums, which uses this system to great success.
The problem of "What if I want to discuss something that was last talked about six million posts ago" isn't actually a problem. It just means you start a discussion about the thing you want to discuss, regardless of when it was last talked about. One of the realities of forum conversation is that you are not going to talk about a given subject only once. It will be gone over in detail. If I mention my favorite Krogan Battlemaster build on page 30 and you come in on page 48, I would that a person who wants to know would just say "Hey, what's a good Krogan Battlemaster build? I kind of hate Carnage."
"Well, friend," I would say, "I am glad you asked."
You are looking at threads as a reader instead of as a participant. Reading to find what you want is hard in this sort of thread, I admit.
That's why you post in them, and become part of the discussion.
4. Accountability as a clear thing just ties into greater discretion, so that people cannot claim tyranny on the part of the mods without indicting the whole site, at which point they might as well just leave.
5. I am gonna say http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=144250&page=1# a stunning amount of this whole topic, because it's the first one that jumped out at me. Not even necessarily the OP (though the OP might qualify) - just read through a bit, see if you see what I mean.
6. No part of this is minor. I've had sigs turned off since before you joined the forums for just this reason. Yeah, that's right. Two weeks in, they was gone.
