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archbrix on 25 May 2012
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Walkthrublazer3 said:

Nintendo's fate hangs in the balance. The Wii-U is Nintendo's last hope for survival. If it fails then Nintendo will either go third party or shut it's doors and bury all existance of it's IP's.

Not even close.  Nintendo has plenty of money and resources to survive the 8th gen, even if the WiiU ends up selling like the Dreamcast.

 

This fate doesn't depend on the core gamer but instead it depends on the casual gamers i.e. Soccer moms, and kids. Why? Because Nintendo has never had the core gamer market and never will! And the reason for this is simple, they didn't create the core gamer market Sony did.

Sony broadened the core market, but core gamers existed before the Playstation.  And Nintendo had plenty of these games from 3rd parties on the NES and SNES.  Games like Contra, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, etc.  These are all "core" games.

 

The Playstation brought in a whole new demographic of gamers when it was released, Just like the Wii did. But  unlike the Wii these new gamers weren't moms, dads, or the elderly, Nope they are now whats called the mainstream core gamers. The jocks, teenagers, and adults who otherwise would of never played games. Just look the the SNES and Genesis, these systems catered to Kids and nerds, The mascotts were an Italion plumber and a super fast hedgehog, The games pretty much all had a heavy japanes/anime style that appealed to the kids and nerds. They're weren't any games that attracted adults/jocks.

Playstation appealed to these people. Games like Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, GTA and the tons of realistic sports sims, for them these games were mature, featuring volience and adult themes and were ok for them to play because they weren't considered childish or nerdy.

So, jocks (plenty of which played Madden and Sega Sports games), adults (SMB, Pac Man, Tetris) and teens (Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat and a laundry list of others) didn't care about games before the Playstation?  The market was clearly in its infancy back with the NES/SNES; don't mistake that with entire groups of people shunning games because they only appealed to "kids" and "nerds".


Despite what Nintendo Fans tell you. Nintendo games are Kiddy! They are meant to appeal to kids and it really isn't hard to see that. The average adult gamer doesn't brag that Super Mario bros is his favorite game because in society that is considered to be childish behaviour unfitting of an adult.

An Adult stating that his favorite video game series is Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Kirby, etc. Is like an Adult saying his favorite TV show is Spongebob Squarepants.This adult would be looked down upon for liking a childrens show because his favorite show should be something that's for adults not kids.

You're confusing adults with teens who are image conscious.  There are plenty of adults who are not at all embarassed to admit that they play Mario because they've largely outgrown the phase where they worry about what people think.  And a game like Mario transcends age.


Unless Nintendo releases an Mature rated Mario game they will never appeal to the core gamers.

Nintendo doesn't have to appeal to them themselves, as long as they have strong support from the companies that do; just like they did with the NES and SNES.

 

When Nintendo states that they're going after the hardcore gamer they mean they're going after the Nintendo fans who abandoned them and either went to Microsoft or Sony. Because no gamer who's been playing their Playstation 1-3 or Xbox -360 is seriously going to jump onto the Wii-U. They didn't jump on the N64, sure as hell didn't jump into the gamecube, and didn't jump into the Wii.

This, I will agree, remains to be seen.

 

Just look at the 3ds, The reason it's not doing so hot is because it's games all are trying to appeal to the core gamers instead of the casuals and Nintendo fans.

I will half agree here as well.  There's nothing wrong with appealing to the core, as long as it's not at the expense of a broader market.

 

So Wii-u is relying on the kids and casuals to buy it up. If Nintendo fails to get them then we can expect to be playing Nintendo games on the Iphone, Xbox 720, PC, and PS4 or sadly not at all.

Again, very over dramatic with your conclusion.  Even if WiiU is not the success they hope it to be, it hardly means that the company will have to throw in the towel and resort to 3rd party developing or not developing at all.  Even with the modest sales of the Gamecube, Nintendo remained profitable.  WiiU not being a smash hit does not mean the company is instantly doomed.