IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
| Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Lift translation: Raise to a higher position or level. Higher level to the proposed ground or horizon. This still translates to a movement in space OPPOSITE to the proposed level of the floor. No gravity is requred for this type of movement.
Lifting force however is diferent.
The ball you have rolled had external forces interferring with it. Chemical potential energy and Gravitational potential energy-Kinetic energy.
Your proposed "Rock" should then be perfectly stationary in order for you to "Lift it". However, the this state of movement (perfectly stationary) can not be achieved in a three dimentional world. Atoms "vibrate" in our dimention and the only way to make them stationary is to achieve absolute zero. (-232 degrees celceus). Which is not possible in our dimention. As a perfect vacuum cannot be achieved. Thus the rock lifts it self from the vibrations of the very atoms that makes itself up, no matter how small the distnce it made the rock "lift" from the ground.
Then you may ask. God can you make a "rock" that has absolut zero energy storage and lift it?
This is like asking God to make a square circle. As no possible matter contains zero energy can exist in the three dimentional world. You may ask God to Lift a rock in the fourth dimentional world. Lift which exists only in a three dimentional world and not any higher. Which then makes the whole thing illogical.
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If you still want to press on with your "Lift force" then here it is.
Draw the ground and draw a rock and label therock Mass = Limitless
On a second frame, draw the rock raised on a higher level while labelling it Mass = Limitless.
Easily done, by a higher dimentional being.
(I have to go to sleep)
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I have no idea of why you put so much weight into this certain example when it's the principle that matters, which is the god paradox. God cannot create a free will that He has no control over, because that would mean that He is also able to create a God that is mightier than himself (as previously mentioned).
Side note: The "God lifting a rock" example obviously implied that the rock was affected by gravity. You can't change the circumstances in a concrete example when you want to prove a point.
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Fine if you want a solid answer. Then ill give it to you.
The real question is
"Can an omnipotnent being create a rock that the omnipotent being cant lift?"
1 -It is in the law of physics that a matter with limitless mass cannot be created in a three dimentional dimention. (Yes I said it in Black holes and I correct myself, im sorry). For a limitless mass will have enough magnetic force (Gravity) to "suck up" space itself. Therefore, a limitless mass of a rock cannot be created. Its illogical. Its like asking God to make a square circle.
The fact remains that great masses such as neutron stars and black holes will result in AMAZING gravitational force. Imagine what a limiless mass can do. The second it exists is the second we disappear.
(Illogical second point because EVERY matter in the universe produces gravity, in this second point God eliminated the magnetic force of the rock)
2 -If you want a rock that no one can lift. We have to take in to account that as long as you want a "ground" to exist, the rock will then exert gravitational potential energy againts the ground. The "ground" then has to make a counter force (resistance) againts the rock in order for the ground to stay in one piece or NOT be dented. As the rock then has a limitless mass, it then produces limitless weight force agains the ground. The ground then has to produce a limitless amount of resistance.
In our three dimentional universe, limitless energy DOESNT EXIST. Therefore, it is again illogical.
