Rath said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
TheProphet said:
Yes, the question of omnipotence vs free will has challenged our best minds for centuries. I am sure there will be no end to this debate. And it will certainly not have an impact on whether people believe in God or not. There is far to much scientific evidence of design making the free will argument just a minor philosophical curiosity.
However, on this subject I would like to make a couple of points. God created man in His own image. That means that man has the same free will that God does. That means that man can make free decisions independent of what God may want. It is completely up to us what we decide. An almighty God can do anything. So therefore an almighty God could create beings with free will he could not predict. He would not be almighty if He couldn't make a being with free will would He.
To support this argument I would just ask you to read the story of Noah's flood. Obviously the people of earth were behaving badly and of no use to God so he started over again with His creation, taking the best of the best. This story clearly indicates the humanity has a free will to reject virtue and God, but at a price. It also shows that God does not necessarily know how things will turn out otherwise he would not have to clean the slate and start over.
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You are actually wrong about the bolded. That would be like saying "God can create a rock that is so heavy that He cannot lift it" (as mentioned earlier in this thread).
And backing up your argument with a story (which is even considered an actual story rather than history by many believers) does not really support your point.
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Rational thinking of a Three dimentional being.
Lets say God Indeed created a rock. A rock that he cannot "Lift". If you define a rock, it could be made out of gravel? sediments? cobblestone? sandstone?
If you define "Lift". Lift is a Three dimentional force that can be exerted by any Three dimentional being. Im lifting my fingers, Im lifting my own hands using the muscles of my arm.
However, the fact remains that God exists on multiple dimentions.
For example:
I drew a two dimentional rock on a paper. I labelled the rock Weight = Infinity.
I drew a second frame that the rock with infinite mass was lifted off the ground.
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Easy, I have used a kind of Three dimentional force to lift an impossibly heavy object in a two dimentional world. This makes me a higher being. And this is how God can create "anything" on our world. On our three dimentional world.
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Your proof (which I don't think is correct anyway) misses the point of that question. The point is 'Can an omnipotent being place a limit on its own power?'
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Possibly. However, that omnipotent being can choose if it wants to control its power or not.
My "Proof" was not a proof.
Its a representation that explains how God can control everything (If he chooses to)
