The Abrahamic Religions make No Sense

[Slimebeast]

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

richardhutnik said:

One think that is an issue here, is that you presume that people actually care what you think or don't think, and presume that other care to bother to persuade you are wrong.  Or the care to bother to have their faith questioned.  Why is someone going to care one bit what you think.  You, as is I guess typical of people who post on the Internet, are totally devoid of knowing what motivates people.  

As for why the idea of Jesus and the religion of Christianity being spread, well, at its core is love actually, in the commands, the idea is one of salvation for people.  It offers, by numerous means, commands, and so on, the ability to change lives.  And if you care about people, and have the means to help, you can then do help.  It is done through people, because people are to be elevated to partners with God and see this.  It also offers people the option to say no, and this manifest things.  What I see with you?  You offer people nothing.  You take away.  You end up wanting to undermine and destroy what they have that holds them up, and offer them nothing in their place.  You don't.  If I am going to compare you, or any other stand alone atheist out there, who is on a crusade to deconvert people, to that of genuine people who practice loving faith, to be able to live with, I will go with those of the faith, because I don't see anything you offer of value to humanity.  What you do end up, as a byproduct you don't see, is going to produce a society that ends up demanding more and more government services, to address needs that the churches you had churches torn down, have provided.  And with this, will come people who are paid to do jobs, rather than people driven by love to make a difference in the lives of others.  Of course, you don't see this.  Why would you, a puny mortal be able to see the consequences of your actions.  You just resent that religion has a moral imperative to reach out, and wish what you believe would, so you do it alone.  You are one person on a quest to tip windmills alone.

You know what you remind me of?  You remind me of someone I know of, who became an ex-friend, who yells at the world to vote third party, and goes out to beers to discuss with his associates in a "meeting of the minds".  He then tells me, after I said it is a bit pointless, and I have a lot of issues I need to go through to "quit your whining".  Take that attitude, turn it into a "meeting of the minds" on the Internet, and away we go.   In your case, you end you getting frustrated and wonder why you bother, because the world doesn't go along.  What you end up missing is a key piece of practical reality.  You also miss that someone like myself finds your arguments lacking and understand the basics of how the God of Christianity works, and end up merely refining what I believe by your points.  And in this, this discussion is of benefit to me, before it refines what I believe, and is of value.  But, from your end, it will be an abysmal failure.

Bolded: People are responding to this thread, so obviously they do care one way or another. And especially you, who keeps writing essay after essay just to tell me how much you don't.

And you obviously misunderstood my entire purpose with this thread, which I explained earlier. My purpose is to make people understand that there is no such thing as sins. There are laws which should be held up, but unjustified sins (such as being gay and the other things I mentioned a few times earlier in this thread) cause pain all around the world every day. I have even said that I don't mind if people are religious, as long as they just let everyone who isn't live their own lives unaffected by their beliefs (which is the majority, by the way).

Going by the three famous scenarios I mentioned earlier, the best case would be if all who read this thread would choose the "God is almighty and can predict every decision that we'll make, so logically there is no hell"-option. That was my personal opinion before I left Christianity altogether, and it made me realize that sins cannot exist.

But by your reasoning not only sins cannot exist but right or wrong moral choices cannot exist either (as there exists no free will).

It's a good thread but it's more about the general consequences of having no free will rather than that Abrahamic religions make no sense.

It's like you have discovered how unlogical it is for religious people to go around and believe they earn a place in heaven by making the right decisions without sinning (when all our choices are already pre-determined and known by God, as we have no free will), but you lack to see how unlogical the moral choices of all human individuals are (when all our choices are already pre-determined, as there exists no proof of free will).

By your reasoning (that there is no free will) no moral choices make any sense. And I happen to agree with that, but that's not a dilemma for Abrahamic religions in particular, it's also a dilemma for everybody who are rooted in science!