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theprof00 on 26 April 2012
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Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
I can't believe how many people are against green technology.
Creating millions of jobs around the US, creating an oil independence, freeing ourselves from the yoke of the middle east, no, creating millions of jobs world-wide, as we lead the world with american made, american techology, american exports....flaunting our gorgeous green valleys, snow capped mountains, and lush meadows to a rising global power covered in smog and pollution. We will make the Chinese so envious of ours they will struggle to reform or collapse under the pressure of their own people.
We will make the call that living clean and free of waste, and having healthcare is a RIGHT, and the poor and downtrodden will overthrow their masters in revolution.

But yet republicans can't get out of their own way because Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Farm is trying to tell us that green is the problem.

Fail guys, major fail.

Actually if you look at Spain as an example, creating green jobs tends to come at the expense of a larger amount of non green jobs... hurts economic growth and the subsidies generally hurt the economy and well, and are part of a pattern that leads you towards default.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a2PHwqAs7BS0

 

If the government was smart.  Instead of worthless subsisides and loans, it would offer a contract for alternative energy solutions to various miitary bases and jeeps (where the cost of oil transportation is prohibitivly expensive.)


Then you create a market for green energy that makes sense, and requires green energy to improve, rathr then just collect profits off subsidies that will keep coming unless you improve your technology too much.  (so why work hard to improve it?)

NREL Response to the Report Study of the Effects on Employment of Public Aid to Renewable Energy Sources from King Juan Carlos University (Spain)

Job generation has been a part of the national dialogue surrounding energy policy and renewable energy (RE) for many years. RE advocates tout the ability of renewable energy to support new job opportunities in rural locations and the manufacturing sector. Others argue that spending on renewable energy is an inefficient allocation of resources and can result in job losses in the broader economy.

The report Study of the Effects on Employment of Public Aid to Renewable Energy Sources, from King Juan Carlos University in Spain, is one recent addition to this debate. The report asserts that, on average, every renewable energy job in Spain “destroyed” 2.2 jobs in the broader Spanish economy. The authors
also apply this ratio in the U.S. context to estimate expected job loss from renewable energy development and policy in the United States (Alvarez et al. 2009).

The analysis by the authors from King Juan Carlos University represents a significant divergence from traditional methodologies used to estimate employment impacts from renewable energy. In fact, the methodology does not reflect an employment impact analysis. Accordingly, the primary conclusion made by the authors – policy support of renewable energy results in net jobs losses – is not supported by their work.

This white paper discusses fundamental and technical limitations of the analysis conducted by King Juan Carlos University and notes critical shortcomings in assumptions implicit in the conclusions. The white paper also includes a review of traditional employment impact analyses that rely on accepted, peer-reviewed
methodologies, and it highlights specific variables that can significantly influence the results of employment impact analysis.

Date
August 2009
Topic
Manufacturing & Economic Development
Market Analysis
Audience
Non-Profits
Resource Type
Technical Reports
Resource Source
Eric Lantz and Suzanne Tegen (NREL)

 

Of course, this is the government talking. So they're not to be trusted whatsoever, even if what they say is clearly correct, looking at the study.

 

What's also funny is that your author sourced, only ever wrote 2 articles for bloomberg, the second one being this study (saying that businesses are moving away because of high energy costs) and the first highlighting energy prices reaching record lows DUE to wind power and some storms that had increased energy production.