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Kasz216 on 22 April 2012
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makingmusic476 said:
badgenome said:
makingmusic476 said:

So they judged Obama based on what ultimately happened under his watch as opposed to what he would have wanted to happen?

That leads to so many other factors effecting their description of the man's politics.

They did, and why not? To say that Obama isn't responsible for something like having ordered the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki without even trying to obtain a court order, or that it's not reflective of his politics because he ideally wouldn't have wanted to have to make such a decision, would be ludicrous. All his outrage over Bush wiretapping and pouring water up people's noses may have been sincere or it may have been mere partisan posturing, but it matters not, because when presented with that choice, Obama outdid Bush a million times over.

That said, the reason why almost everyone ends up in the upper right quadrant may have something to do with the fact that Political Compass is run by One World Action, which is a rather far left group.

Rereading kasz's post, I agree with you.

I was in a rush and didn't read it thoroughly at first, and got the impression they were claiming just about everything that got through Congress during his term represented his political ideals, but instead they pinpointed specific actions taken in regards to civil liberties and cabinet appointments that certainly do show Obama's more authoritarian and hypocritical nature.

Pretty much.  

Essentially the Democrats are Republicans too, they just aren't honest about it.  That and economically the Poltiical compass seems to be a bit anti-corporitist so Wallstreet bailouts are seen more as a rightwing pro buisness thing then a leftwing government intervention thing.

A lot of Republicans do it too, like say, Mitt Romney which is why i'm not going to vote for him either.

I'm not voting for Obama though because i voted for him for 3 reasons.

 

1) He promised to repeal most if not all of the Patriot Act and close Guantanomo and in general dial down the american war machine.  He didn't really do ANY of that.  He got us out of Iraq sure... but he got us out of Iraq on the EXACT same time table Bush and McCain had.  He's done nothing but maintain or acellerate the american war machine.

2) Hope that maybe there would be a little bit of movement on some soically liberal areas.  There was I think... one fair pay type act to help women way early in his campaign?  That was about it.  Don't ask Don't tell was repealed, but largely only because it was going to be defeated in court by a pro gay republican group, and essentially Obama put the DoJ to defend the law to stall and get enough time to convicne enough senators that this shit was going to happen anyway so they have to do it so they could put a Democrat spin on it.

3)  He's black.  Yeah I know, people say that it shouldn't matter... and yeah it shouldn't matter.... but it does.

Anyone who was with a black person when the election results were announced or watched a black person react on tv could tell you that.

I don't think it can be understated, the effect of when someone tells a black child they can't do something because they are black, that a black child can respond "A black person has held the highest position in this entire country, i can do whatever the hell I want."

 

So essentially, I really only have number 3.  Which is something he literally could NOT of dissapointed me on.