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happydolphin on 19 April 2012
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RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:

I remember that comment. Fair you say great game, but the general lines are that it is lesser, that's the way I understand your rhetoric.

Emotionally invested? Yes many of us are, of course we are, we value these companies and the entertainment they offer us. I don't want to fight, but you've made me so damn bitter.

"So whenever I say that 3D Mario games don't cut it, it's perceived to be equal to calling these games bad."

That's why you need to nuance your posts and be less provocative. If you're provocative, you tend to just exaggerate one side of the issue without showing the nuances and it gives us the wrong idea. Constantly.

If a game doesn't cut it, it misses the mark. Yet many of these games you hint at are gems, Galaxy being one of them. If awesomeness is what matters, why do the "low" sales of Galaxy even matter? How awesome really can a 2D Mario be, and if it can be really awesome, then how much needs to be injected to realize it? NOT MUCH! So why bring down Galaxy when NSMB awesome can be made by the brush of a hand?

You are missing the point. For me, sales and games discussions are two different things. So when I say that a certain game fails in the former category, it has no bearing on the enjoyment I or anyone else has with the game.

When I say that a 3D Mario game won't be able to carry the system, then it doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad game. The reason why the "low" sales of 3D Mario matter is because I want to see Nintendo growing and such a game won't achieve that. It keeps Nintendo stuck in the Nintendo fanboys box. Nintendo fans buy the game and the system, but everyone who doesn't feel such loyalty won't care enough to put down the money. It doesn't mean that such games shouldn't be made altogether, it just means that Nintendo has to look beyond these games. Unless you are fine with Nintendo being relegated to a niche player in the video game business like during the GameCube era when their games almost exclusively only appealed to the hardest of the Nintendo core and children.

The only other option is that Nintendo release games like Mario 2D, i.e. revival classics, and games more in line with Microsoft and Sony's 1st party flagships Halo and Uncharted.

The casual train has come and gone I believe, and Nintendo needs to look at new opportunities to make its future. Fair, games like Mario Kart will never be fully casual and are evergreen. But games like Brain Age can't be banked on, they have an expiration date. Nintendo needs to continuously find new non-gamer experiences to interest that crowd it is not one to settle for similar experience, they are much more in line with Hollywood, and that's not a no brainer but it's true since both target mainstream people who aren't die-hard fans, who don't have that attachment to the franchises.

It's a whole other world, a whole other paradigm, one few of us here understand because we are so ingrained in the culture of beloved franchises, but the non-gamer will never be satisfied with that, they constantly need new, they constanatly need fresh.

Having said that, certain franchises have the ability to stay fresh through evolution and continue to attract non-gamer crowds, though mind you only a more committed portion of that crowd. They would be what moderate gamers? You know that your cap on such games are say 16M, aim for it, but don't expect the same games to sell over and over again, and in saying that I'm looking at NSMB. It as it is cannot sustain a Nintendo console, Nintendo needs it to evolve. If Super Mario World was not the proper evolution of Super Mario 3, then what was, nobody yet knows because we haven't seen it happen. We know Mario 3 was the right evolution to Mario bros., but why? Was it the item sub-screen, was it the maturing of mario, the new suits, the meaner baddies, the more imaginative worlds? Well if that's what it is, then BRING IT ON NINTENDO, I want to see it.

But for the love of god don't charge me 60$ unless you really spent that much effort into it, the Premium effort as you so well said.