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happydolphin on 19 April 2012
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RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:
RolStoppable said:

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Admittedly, the NSMB games and DKCR are not perfect and leave room for improvement, but that is forgiven by the market because it feels so good to have these games back. The next time around there needs to be put more effort into (Nintendo in production values; Retro in some features like the animal buddies), but that isn't an insurmountable task. If Nintendo takes good care of Super Mario Bros., everything will be well. Unfortunately, the threat of including Miis doesn't bode well. It gives me the impression that Nintendo treats SMB like a casual game while 3D Mario enjoys getting all the goods. If Miis were premium treatment, they would have already been in 3D Mario.

And that is exactly what I didn't like of the NSMB direction. DKCR is a different story and caters to our demographics better (we want the old stuff, well made), but NSMB did not trace the direction for awesomeness, it traced a path for sales. It would be really a wish for Nintendo to return to the original look of Mario, add some extra physics (triple jump, more power-ups, boundary-breaking dynamics like the giant mario), all at a bargain pricetag, and they have my purchase. But is it possible? I don't want to get my hopes up. As for NSMB though, I'm already over it. After enjoying the DS one alot, I just wouldn't care for another similar experience. It would have to go in the direction you seem to be describing, but they're a business. From what we can tell it seems like they'll be repeating NSMB. Maybe not though, who knows?

The direction for awesomeness and the path for sales are one and the same. Only making new levels and adding Miis won't generate the same excitement as NSMB Wii which had simultaneous multiplayer going for it (which was a new experience; and no, other games don't count, because they don't have the fabulous physics of Super Mario Bros.). Nintendo needs to expand the game universe to maintain or increase the sales of the series. Stagnation and lack of ambition will be punished by the market, because people expect more from Nintendo.

But Super Mario Bros. won't retail at a bargain pricetag, because there is no reason why it should if Nintendo puts effort into it. Not sure where this crazy wish of yours comes from. It also makes me wonder who exactly you mean when you say "our demographics". People who like to spit on Super Mario Bros.?

For Megaman, to be fair they did release the X-series on the Super NES, which were excellent games (I haven't played those on the PS though). The return to the roots was well appreciated, but true a revival would be even more earth-shattering. The same goes for Ninja Gaiden.

Also, what did you think of Donkey Kong Jungle Beat? I loved that game, were you turned off by the Konga controls?

The X-series was released a long time ago, but we are talking about games in recent times. A new Mega Man should throw the formula of eight robot masters overboard and have a lot more. 12-16 levels were okay in the old days, but nowadays there just needs to be a lot more game.

I didn't like DKJB. The Konga controls were awkward, tiresome and restricted dynamic play (i.e. stringing together fluent combinations of jumps). It was somewhat possible with a lot of practice, but it never felt like a worthy successor to the DKC games. It was merely an experiment nobody asked for.


@bold. The only person here spitting on Mario is you. You keep complaining about Mario not being good enough, not being what you want it to be, not being 2D. You say you want both, but you constantly bring down the worth of a game like Galaxy, you totally bashed 3D Land and barely expressed any appreciation for it, EVEN if you mastered it.

Last time I checked, ROL, Super Mario Bros. came bundled with my NES, Super Mario Land came BUNDLED with my Game Boy, Super Mario World came BUNDLED with my SNES. And Super Mario Bros. 2? I got as a gift for my birthday (I got All-Stars for Christmas). The only Mario games our family ever bought new were Super Mario 3 (japanese imported), Super Mario 64 and NSMB on the DS, AT 40$. Super Mario 3D Land I bought new because I'm now much more active on forums and all and much more in the market, but that's an exception.  Mario Land 2 and Super Mario Galaxy, both were bought second hand. I did not buy NSMB Wii, and I never will. It is a sales cockfest. That's not the direction I want for Mario. If it's to be 2D, I want something as good as Galaxy. (Thankfully, at least one point on which we probably agree.)

I have respected Nintendo much more than you ever have on this forum and this gen, so as for spitting, you and Malstrom can continue your camel role.

ENJOY

Oh, and your poll? It's shit.