How to disprove free will using basic logic

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BasilZero said:

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

BasilZero said:

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

I don't believe in a higher being. Mainly because there is no proof of a such thing. But if we assume that everything that happens happens randomly then we still wouldn't have a free will. The will would be random.

I was just saying for an example, higher being was just an example for something that "Determines" events.

But what makes things happening by random be against free will? Shouldnt random occurrances be a result of free will itself or are you saying that random things happen for a reason? I am confused o.o?

For an example me bombarding you with random theories and questions, it is random, though I doubt it was pre-determined by something. It was a decision I made, I could of went and played Persona 3 Portable while rendering my Earthbound videos but I chose to stay here and post because it was my free will to do so o.o.

It all comes down to our main views. You believe that our actions shapes the future while I believe that our actions are shaped by the past (and thus are determined, which ultimately makes the future determined as well).

The bolded: Wouldnt that be the same though? The actions I shape right now in the current time, would be considered past in the future, which is what you believe in o.O?

What he says is true in a sense.

As I was reading this thread he asked "If you were to rewind time and set it to right before a man robs a bank, would he still rob it?"

Of course most answered "Of course" and he then declared it as "predetermined". Now that is where his bolded above comes into play. The man who wanted to rob the bank did so because he thought about it, planned it out and everything. His past actions shaped into what he was going to do that day and it didn't matter whether you rewind back 10 times or even 100 times to that exact point before he leaves the car and enters the bank.

 

Now was that predetermined as he says? No.

It was premeditated, and that is why the result would not change.